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rionaleonhart) wrote2008-03-08 09:35 am
rionaleonhart) wrote2008-03-08 09:35 am
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Actually, Were They Not Related, I Bet It'd Be Canon By Now.
Here is a question for the Supernatural fans among you, whether you're Wincest people or not: how would your perception of the Sam and Dean relationship be different if they were not related? Yes, all right, I know that half the premise of Supernatural doesn't work if the boys aren't brothers, but let's set that aside for a moment. If they had the same bantering, mocking, die-for-each-other-in-a-heartbeat relationship they do at the moment, but they weren't brothers (childhood friends, let's say), how would you react to them?
I have to confess that I probably wouldn't love them quite so much; sibling relationships really are more or less my favourite thing in fiction. I'd have started 'shipping them sooner - pretty much immediately, in fact, and I wouldn't have this 'but do I actually 'ship them, or am I just interested in pairing them up because of the mental issues that would ensue?' uncertainty - but I think I would have taken much longer to start writing fanfiction, if I ever got around to it at all. Sam/Dean fascinates me because it's twisted and destructive and more likely to all go completely to hell (quite possibly literally) than not; were it not for the wrongness, I don't think I'd find it as interesting as I do.
(EDIT: There's also the fact that I'm interested in the Sam-and-Dean dynamic as both a platonic relationship and a sexual one, but for entirely different reasons; taking away the incest aspect would make the platonic and sexual relationships less radically different, which, again, would make things less interesting for me.)
The idea of the two of them not being brothers actually distresses me, for reasons I can't quite place. Distresses me to a slightly weird extent, in fact, especially when you consider the fact that this is a hypothetical situation regarding characters who are fictional anyway. It's like Holmes and Watson never meeting; it's just wrong. This is why I can't read Sam-and-Dean AUs.
I have to confess that I probably wouldn't love them quite so much; sibling relationships really are more or less my favourite thing in fiction. I'd have started 'shipping them sooner - pretty much immediately, in fact, and I wouldn't have this 'but do I actually 'ship them, or am I just interested in pairing them up because of the mental issues that would ensue?' uncertainty - but I think I would have taken much longer to start writing fanfiction, if I ever got around to it at all. Sam/Dean fascinates me because it's twisted and destructive and more likely to all go completely to hell (quite possibly literally) than not; were it not for the wrongness, I don't think I'd find it as interesting as I do.
(EDIT: There's also the fact that I'm interested in the Sam-and-Dean dynamic as both a platonic relationship and a sexual one, but for entirely different reasons; taking away the incest aspect would make the platonic and sexual relationships less radically different, which, again, would make things less interesting for me.)
The idea of the two of them not being brothers actually distresses me, for reasons I can't quite place. Distresses me to a slightly weird extent, in fact, especially when you consider the fact that this is a hypothetical situation regarding characters who are fictional anyway. It's like Holmes and Watson never meeting; it's just wrong. This is why I can't read Sam-and-Dean AUs.
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of doomof deathof glory!So, your question. It's an interesting one. It would certainly make for a gayer show - so much easier to make the leap that they were shagging. But then childhood friends often have relationships that are similar to sibling relationships, so.... I dunno. But I agree, the idea of them not being brothers is a bit wrong. Though Jared & Jensen are clearly IN LOVE, so, um, I'm not sure how that sits with the whole thing. Hey, are you familiar with Plastic!Winchester Theatre (http://community.livejournal.com/spn_plastic/307.html#cutid1)? If not, then it's worth checking out. For the lolz. :)
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'Shipping childhood friends often feels a bit incestuous to me, but I can't really deny that it would be less incestuous than actual incest.
...AND I HAD NOT SEEN PLASTIC!WINCHESTER THEATRE BEFORE AND NOW MY EXPRESSION IS FROZEN ON 'WHAT?'
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Hey, I just realised something curious. In all your
ramblingsthoughtful musings about SPN, I have yet to notice a reference to the Impala. Do you not find the car TOTALLY HOT?! And what about the clearly cannon pairing of Dean/Impala?! I think Dean loves the Impala even more than Hammond loves Oliver-! (or is that going too far out on a limb?!) Ok, so maybe the main reason I watch SPN is for the Impala.I do hope your face unfreezes and you can take a look - because Plastic!Winchesters bring the lolz. They bring the lolz big time! Also, I think the incest in cannon in that. So, uh... Also the hotel rooms! The hotel rooms they stay in are hilarious! Oh, and they also fight carebears! CAREBEARS! Do I need to say more????????!!?!
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But is it truer than Jeremy/Ford GT? Because that was epic, even if it was abusive.
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Also, I'm still not convinced it's truer than Hammond/Oliver. I mean, Hammond was like NOOOO I CANNOT LEAVE MY CAR TO DROWN and "he loves me, and he's coming home."!
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You and Draco make a very persuasive argument. On reflection, you're probably right; Hammond/Oliver is more true.
I think I feel a poll coming on.
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For what it's worth, I do think you're right about Jeremy being a carslut. He has all the grand passions ending in disasters; either they're too high-maintenance and make him miserable, or they blow in and out of his life, leaving him heartbroken.
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