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rionaleonhart) wrote2006-10-24 02:33 pm
rionaleonhart) wrote2006-10-24 02:33 pm
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What Did You See?
Right. I realise that my reaction to Torchwood was very much a lot of incoherent squealing, rather than anything remotely balanced or intelligent, and there is a reason for that. Granted, the reason is that I was so tired and so ridiculously enthused by Captain Jack's return that I couldn't think clearly, but still: I felt that I was becoming overly critical of the 2006 series of Doctor Who. I was poking holes in the plausibility, the plot, the characterisation. I wasn't enjoying the experience of watching it so much, because I was focusing on all the things there were to criticise. It is such a joy to have something that I can squeal fangirlishly over, and I wanted to take full advantage of that.
It's a couple of days later now, and, on hopefully slightly more sane reflection, I'm still very pleased with it indeed.
I was browsing Torchwood reviews, and someone - I can't remember who - mentioned Captain Jack asking the dead man what he saw when he died, and how interesting that was in the light of the knowledge that Jack is now immortal. I hadn't realised that before, but all I can say now is: oh, Jack.
People worry about Owen and his alien pheromone spray - I think that what most people are saying is that it was a serious, immoral action being 'played for laughs' - but I personally think that we are definitely supposed to think that Owen is an utter utter bastard because of it, and that there will be Consequences for his irresponsible behaviour. (I am one of those who think that he used the spray as a diversion when he thought he would get in trouble and called a taxi to get out of there. I am not saying that this makes his behaviour forgivable, however, because I am fairly certain that he would have left with that girl if he hadn't been interrupted.)
Generally, our 'heroes' don't seem to be enormously moral, which is interesting. Jack himself wipes Gwen's memory with no apparent sympathy, despite his rage at the Time Agency doing the same thing to him. We've already seen how her work for Torchwood made Suzie into a serial killer, which makes me wonder whether the characters had stronger moral values before they became a part of Torchwood. Is Torchwood a destructive influence on character? Are we going to see how being involved with it changes Gwen?
Gwen's boyfriend is obviously supposed to be 'the Mickey equivalent'. The obvious parallels with Doctor Who characters are getting a little annoying - I want Torchwood to have links with Doctor Who, of course, but I also want it to be something new, not just a retread of the Doctor-and-Rose story - but he seems sweet. I hope I like him.
I haven't mentioned Ianto, have I? The more I reflect (and the more I browse the curiously addictive Torchwood site), the more I adore him.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
gayjunglefever is right in saying that he's like Wilson (although less screwed up; or, at least, we haven't seen his screwed-upness yet. Given the general 'everyone is screwed up' feel of Torchwood, I'm expecting to find out he's a lunatic any moment now): he's the character who shows up for maybe three minutes and has the awesomest lines in the entire episode and then leaves and you're left going "NO, IANTO, DON'T LEAVE ME WITH OWEN! COME BACK! I LOVE YOU!" (Also, look at this IM conversation he has with Owen on the site! I love you, Ianto.)
I bet the Torchwood writers created the 'sex alien' plot purely as an excuse for the 'came and went' line.
(I haven't mentioned the girlkissing because I found it very hot and am embarrassed for being so shallow.)
It's a couple of days later now, and, on hopefully slightly more sane reflection, I'm still very pleased with it indeed.
I was browsing Torchwood reviews, and someone - I can't remember who - mentioned Captain Jack asking the dead man what he saw when he died, and how interesting that was in the light of the knowledge that Jack is now immortal. I hadn't realised that before, but all I can say now is: oh, Jack.
People worry about Owen and his alien pheromone spray - I think that what most people are saying is that it was a serious, immoral action being 'played for laughs' - but I personally think that we are definitely supposed to think that Owen is an utter utter bastard because of it, and that there will be Consequences for his irresponsible behaviour. (I am one of those who think that he used the spray as a diversion when he thought he would get in trouble and called a taxi to get out of there. I am not saying that this makes his behaviour forgivable, however, because I am fairly certain that he would have left with that girl if he hadn't been interrupted.)
Generally, our 'heroes' don't seem to be enormously moral, which is interesting. Jack himself wipes Gwen's memory with no apparent sympathy, despite his rage at the Time Agency doing the same thing to him. We've already seen how her work for Torchwood made Suzie into a serial killer, which makes me wonder whether the characters had stronger moral values before they became a part of Torchwood. Is Torchwood a destructive influence on character? Are we going to see how being involved with it changes Gwen?
Gwen's boyfriend is obviously supposed to be 'the Mickey equivalent'. The obvious parallels with Doctor Who characters are getting a little annoying - I want Torchwood to have links with Doctor Who, of course, but I also want it to be something new, not just a retread of the Doctor-and-Rose story - but he seems sweet. I hope I like him.
I haven't mentioned Ianto, have I? The more I reflect (and the more I browse the curiously addictive Torchwood site), the more I adore him.
gayjunglefever is right in saying that he's like Wilson (although less screwed up; or, at least, we haven't seen his screwed-upness yet. Given the general 'everyone is screwed up' feel of Torchwood, I'm expecting to find out he's a lunatic any moment now): he's the character who shows up for maybe three minutes and has the awesomest lines in the entire episode and then leaves and you're left going "NO, IANTO, DON'T LEAVE ME WITH OWEN! COME BACK! I LOVE YOU!" (Also, look at this IM conversation he has with Owen on the site! I love you, Ianto.)I bet the Torchwood writers created the 'sex alien' plot purely as an excuse for the 'came and went' line.
(I haven't mentioned the girlkissing because I found it very hot and am embarrassed for being so shallow.)
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...we can meet up ^_^)
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I so badly want to bombard you with these tiny snippets of information I have picked up here and there but I am showing remarkable self-restraint. OH BUT RIONA, THE SCANDAL. I know something HUGE which NO ONE'S EVEN COMMENTED ON/SEEMS AWARE OF in the Torchwood community and I think MY BRAIN MIGHT EAT ITSELF omg.
Though I sort of have something which I really REALLY want to tell you specifically, which is only minor and Ianto-related but not really big! plot! news and you might already know already but LOOK HANDY SPOILER COVER IN CASE YOU REALLY WANT TO STAY SPOILER FREEEE: There is Jack/Ianto snoggage circulating on a random trailer and adlkjflkjd I am shipping them already, is that bad? EEE.
*flails*
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ARGH I WILL LOOK AT THE FIRST WORD.
THE FIRST WORD IS 'THERE'.
OKAY THAT DID NOT HELP.
(ALSO YOUR ICON IS THE HOTTEST THING EVER AND MYSTERIOUS HUGE THING (no, Riona, not 'mysterious hug thing') THAT IS EATING YOUR BRAIN SOUNDS EXTREMELY WORRYING AND I AM CURIOUS BUT MUST RESIST!)
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ALSO PLEASE GOD DO HIGHLIGHT IT. SERIOUSLY, IT'S A TEENY TINY SPOILER BASED ON, LIKE, A 2 SECOND CLIP IN A TRAILER BUT IT BROUGHT ME OMGSOMUCHJOY AND HOPEFULLY WOULD YOU TOO, OMG PLEEEASE, FOR ME? SFJkjfkdf.
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*ABSOLUTELY DIES*
GAHGAHFGFAHAF BEST THING EVER. IS THIS THE BBC HD TRAILER THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND? DOES IT HAVE ANY OTHER MAJOR SPOILERS? OH HOLY HELL I'M GOING TO END UP WATCHING IT ANYWAY, AREN'T I?
(Er, sorry for the excessive capital letters.)
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You could tell me in sneaky black text. IF YOU WANTED.
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Hi! I'm here via... someone.
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Word word word on everything, yo. And hey, so was he asking the guy if he saw what Jack saw, because Jack doesn't seem to just be immortal; it seems more like he dies and comes back to life. Kinda like the Doctor, really, only without a new body and a limit on the number. XP
I like Owen for being such an asswipe. It's fantastic. XD Also Ianto is WIN. (And I totally read that spoiler a few comments up, but I HAD LIKE PREDICTED IT ALREADY LOLZ.)
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...being useless, that hadn't even occurred to me. And now I'm going "Oh, yeah, Jack died, didn't he? I forgot." WAY TO GO, ME.
(I can't say it came as a complete surprise, given, y'know, Jack. BUT STILL. EEEE.)
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(Does this mean that you've watched the episode? Will we be seeing thoughts on your journal at all? WHY YES I AM WHILING AWAY THE TIME UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY BY READING REVIEWS and also I am really very interested in hearing what you thought.)
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I have seen the episodes! But I think I need a rewatch before I can do a real thinky thoughts type post. Plus it's going to have tons of pictures. I feel that the tradiition of my Jack picspams (http://sarkastic.livejournal.com/263803.html#cutid1) from DW needs to carry over to Torchwood.
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SO TRUE. You can make absolutely any pairing work for him. I love canonical omnisexuals. =D
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DOES THIS MEAN WE WILL START COMPARING JACK TO HOUSE NOW? PLZ BECAUSE I WILL.