You All Knew I'd Give In Eventually.

[rionaleonhart]

TODAY, I WATCHED MY FIRST EPISODE OF SUPERNATURAL ON A WHIM. It was not the first episode of Supernatural - it was the twelfth, I believe, called 'Faith' and dealing with FAITH HEALING OF EVIL - but it was my first, and I found myself liking it almost immediately because it turns out that sibling relationships as a focal point of a series are basically my favourite thing ever. I had not realised how much I love siblings in fiction! (This, er, isn't anything to do with incest. I'm not really an incest fan (although, as far as I can tell, every single Supernatural-watcher on my friendslist 'ships Sam/Dean, so perhaps further watching will sway me); I just really love close sibling relationships.) Also, Dean made an 'I ♥ MY CAR' comment fairly early on, and the Top Gear fandom has made me adore 'I ♥ MY CAR' comments for all the wrong reasons. And it made a blatant attempt to toy with my emotions and actually succeeded, which was terribly impressive when I'd known the characters for less than an hour.

I shall probably be watching more!

I was, however, enormously distressed to find out that Dean Winchester, contrary to what I was led to believe by my inexplicable WHY IS DEAN WINCHESTER TRYING TO KILL ME IN MY SUBCONSCIOUS, I DON'T EVEN WATCH SUPERNATURAL dream some months ago, does not actually go by the pseudonym 'June Carter'. SAM EVEN GAVE A FALSE SURNAME AT ONE POINT. IT WAS NOT 'CARTER'. I WAS DEVASTATED.

June and Eric Carter, Supernatural writers. They are the perfect false names and you know it.

Comments

[th-esaurus.livejournal.com]

HOW CAN YOU ADORE SIBLING INTERACTION AND YET NOT BE TOTALLY CRAZY ABOUT FIREFLY? I can barely fathom this!

ALSO I AM PSYCHED ABOUT TOMORROW YAY.

[rionaleonhart]

Perhaps it was something to do with the fact that the accents in Firefly are weird and I cannot understand half the things the characters say? Perhaps I should give it another try at some point. With subtitles.

ALSO YES, TOMORROW WILL BE AWESOME.

[th-esaurus.livejournal.com]

RIONA, THAT IS THE LAMEST EXCUSE I HAVE EVER HEARD. Their accents are not weird. Also, Simon/River is WAY BETTER in creepy incest terms than Dean/Sam. PSHH.

Oh, Simon/River. My heart sings for yooooou.

I might need to go shoe shopping btw. Um ;__;

[rionaleonhart]

WHAT? IF I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARACTERS SAY, I AM NOT GOING TO ENJOY THE SHOW AS MUCH. I THINK THAT IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

It's all right; I forgive you.

[dracothelizard.livejournal.com]

NOOOOO, the pairings of Firefly are Simon/Kaylee, Mal/Inara, Kaylee/Serenity and Inara/Kaylee! None of that crazy space incest nonsense.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

What about Simon/Jayne? Or River/Jayne? Or River/Kaylee? Or River/Inara? Or Zoe/Inara? Or Zoe/Kaylee? Or Wash/Zoe/River/Serenity psychic fourway (which is canon, btw)?

[th-esaurus.livejournal.com]

The only one of those pairings I approve of is Inara/Kaylee.

SIMON/RIVER FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Crazy space incest fans with your crazy space incest.

RIVER/EVERYONE BUT SIMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Simon and River have weird accents? I didn't notice.

[rionaleonhart]

I just have trouble deciphering the accents of any of the characters on Firefly. I have no idea what the problem is.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Huh. It's not exactly Standard American English, but it doesn't sound that different to me. But accents throw some people more than others.

BBC America has started running little, "If you can't follow what they're saying with the accent, here's the closed-captioning button," spots. I don't have trouble with those accents at all. Although, because of the shows I watch, a Northern accent's starting to sound more normal to me than a London one.

[rionaleonhart]

It is a bit odd; I watch plenty of American television, and Firefly's the only series that's given me real problems. Maybe I just didn't have the sound turned up enough.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Are you sure it was Dean Winchester trying to kill you in your subconcious? Are you sure it wasn't actually the ghost of June Carter?

Also, please avoid the incest shipping; really when you've got Dean/Impala OTP, why ship him with his brother? Plus if you ship Dean/Impala, you've seeded the ground for a Top Gear/Supernatural crossover, with car-loving men, and Sam and Dean meeting the worst demon hunters ever!

My whole Boosh Gear crossover ideas (yes, I'm aware that logically it should be either Mighty Gear or Top Boosh) is spiraling horribly out of control. My terrible habit of writing Richard/everyone is fusing with my logical conclusion that it should be Vince/everyone and the fact that James/everyone is just funny, leading to a huge, pointless, cracked-out orgy.

On the upside, the bit where Jeremy and James bicker over whether they're lost or in Dalston is turning out quite well (they're both right; a combination of James's driving and the moon fancying Ricard WHICH SHOULD NOT BE A PLOT got them in the wrong Dalston).

[rhosyndu.livejournal.com]

the moon fancying Ricard WHICH SHOULD NOT BE A PLOT
This makes me giggle helplessly. Is he a woman at the time? (More importantly: could he be?)

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

He isn't a woman as of yet. Of course, they all wind up at the flat, and Vince and Howard routinely go through Naboo's things. And Jeremy's in the same flat as a cupboard full of magic potions...

Actually, my mind just completely overshot genderswap there, and is skating on "Destroy the world!" territory. That's the problem with getting Jeremy near anything magic.

[rhosyndu.livejournal.com]

*nods agreement* The words 'How Hard Can It Be' are lurching dangerously towards someone's lips...

Though it wouldn't be a proper apocalypse without a zombie or two...

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking maybe one zombie and no apocalypse.

[rhosyndu.livejournal.com]

One zombie, two animated severed limbs and half an apocalypse?

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

You have got to stop giving me ideas.

Now I'm thinking of something like Night of the Living Dead, where the dead all come to life, only instead of attacking people, they just wander around moaning and bumping into things.

[rhosyndu.livejournal.com]

That'd be great! The most useless zombie apocalypse ever! (McDonald's would probably hire them.)

[rionaleonhart]

I shall try to avoid the incest 'shipping, but I have to warn you that it may clonk me over the head and strip away all resistance. I'm not very good at consciously keeping myself from 'ships.

Is 'clonk' an actual word? I do hope so.

But Dean/Impala leading to Top Gear/Supernatural is a very compelling argument for pairing him with the car indeed. Especially if it involves the Top Gear trio as terrible demon hunters.

And I think any sort of Mighty Boosh fic needs to spiral horribly out of control. A controlled Booshfic would simply not be sufficiently Booshy.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Clonk is indeed a word. One which should be used more often.

You need to write the Top Gear trio as truly terrible demon hunters. It involves giving Jeremy Clarkson weapons! And they're loaded with salt, so when he accidentally shoots James or Richard, he won't do that much harm!

I'm glad the Boosh fic should spiral out of control. Because it looks likely to contain rampant sexing and zombies (Naboo has a jar of zombie sick, and I have no idea where he got it from!). But not zombie sex. Just people. And possibly Old Gregg. The moon is not going to have sex (although I may let it get a snog in).

[dracothelizard.livejournal.com]

I don't think Jeremy would be terribly impressed by a gun loaded by salt.

[amy-wolf.livejournal.com]

Obviously, he'd complain and demand real bullets. But everyone else who realized that they'd just handed Jeremy Clarkson a gun would be tremendously relieved.

And once he'd killed a few demons with it, he'd cheer right up.

[harveytheayeaye.livejournal.com]

"My whole Boosh Gear crossover ideas .."

This sounds AWESOME!

[emmarrrrr.livejournal.com]

hahahahahahaha

IF ONLY HE HAD USED 'CARTER'

OH, VAGUE SG1 FANDOM, I MISS YOU

[denorios.livejournal.com]

SUPERNATURAL! *flails* I LOVE THAT SHOW SO MUCH I'M STUCK IN CAPSLOCK! IT OWNS MY SOUL! IT IS MY ONE TRUE SHOW!

[bbakerb.livejournal.com]

ALSO, IN SUPERNATURAL FANFIC, SOMETIMES THE CAR IS SENTIENT.

I.... feel this is something you should know?

[rhosyndu.livejournal.com]

...

I'm trying not to think about a car having an orgasm now.

[rionaleonhart]

YOU HAVE JUST REMINDED ME OF A LARGE PART OF WHY I WAS VAGUELY FEELING AS IF I SHOULD WATCH SUPERNATURAL: what I have gathered from my friendslist is that it probably has one of the crackiest fandoms ever. Does this mean that there is sentient carsex? It should.

[bbakerb.livejournal.com]

Supernatural fandom is second only in crack to Stargate Atlantis fandom. There may not in fact be sentient carsex in the sense of sex-between-cars, mostly because there is only one car. But this car is very important! People refer to it as 'she', and when she is sentient she is all protective of Sam and Dean and it is strangely adorable! I'm pretty sure that there is people-having-sex-in-sentient-cars carsex, but this does not solve the problem of finding the Supernatural car a suitable vehicle to have a meaningful relationship with.

[rionaleonhart]

By carsex, I was thinking more along the lines of Dean having sex with the sentient Impala. Not even the Top Gear fandom writes about sex between cars.

Actually, that's a lie; I'm sure I saw an Oliver the Opel Kadett/Bugatti Veyron ficlet once. But only once!

And I am very glad to hear this, because gigantically crack-filled fandoms are the best sort.

[dracothelizard.livejournal.com]

There is an episode involving a haunted truck (http://saltandburn.org/route666/about.php)! That means one can even do ghost car sex.

I see whole new possibilities involving Zombie Piers...

[plotbunnydoom.livejournal.com]

*flails*

IT WILL SUCK YOU IN AND NOT LET GO.

[plotbunnydoom.livejournal.com]

Plus? I'm not an incest fan either, generally. Yet it somehow happened for this show when I wasn't looking.

Mmm, Dean/Impala.

[calamitysxchild.livejournal.com]

SUPERNATURAL!!!!!!!!!!!111ONE

[halotolerant.livejournal.com]

Dean/Impala is love, trufax (though for me it took getting into the TopGear fandom to really see that).

For me, Dean/Sam is also love. Now I *do not* normally ever read incest, but for various reasons in supernatural it just...isn't very squicky. The Winchester boys are just so screwed up anyhow & at any given point in any of the series tend to have hours/days/weeks left to live and they are the emotional centre of each other's world. I have read very well argued essays about why that's why you *can't* ship them, because it causes closure & ends the angst, but after you come to love them, you kind of want that for them.

Can I prod you in the direction of astolat whose supernatural fic is here: http://intimations.org/fanfic/#Supernatural (Under Hill, Bad Blood and Desired are all spoiler-free and amazing) and - heck, she's an amazing writer anyhow, but she handles the relationship very well. OH and they are teh hot, hot, hot *fans self*

(*cough* Not that I'm, you know, enabling or anything...)

[rionaleonhart]

...the impression I'm getting from this comment is that adding incest into the Sam-and-Dean relationship would actually make them less screwed up, or at least - ARGH, YOU'RE MAKING ME INTERESTED IN THIS RELATIONSHIP ALREADY - would help them cope despite the screwed-upness of it, and that actually sounds really interesting augh. INCEST IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING TABOO SUBJECTS I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN. I CAN'T BELIEVE CRACKS ARE ALREADY STARTING TO APPEAR IN MY RESOLVE. Some day, I am going to write Sam/Dean and it will be entirely your fault.

[hold-onhope.livejournal.com]

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!

Erm... for the record, I don't ship Sam/Dean. I think their relationship is close enough already, and I like it that way! It's the sibling thing that gets me, too.

You will find that Dean makes a lot of 'I ♥ my car' comments. :D

'Faith' was an amazing episode, especially for brother love. I'm glad it was your first!

[suzie-shooter.livejournal.com]

when I first discovered there was Supernatural incest fic, my first thought was "eww". I think I lasted about half an hour before then thinking "actually..." and reading it LOL

[the-funmonkey.livejournal.com]

I am writing Supernatural/Top Gear....

SHUSH YOU HEARD NOTHING.

[wanttobeatree.livejournal.com]

ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

(if you manage to keep the incest out, I will be very impressed. I think it took me about five hours to give in.)

[harveytheayeaye.livejournal.com]

Supernatural is the fandom of love!!! It crosses with everything!!! Most of these are brain-children at the moment and not written but I wish to join you in the land of insane crossovers. I'm having mental block...

[harveytheayeaye.livejournal.com]

I have come back for more after reading the comments because I am a massive geek.

This is the Fandom that Broke Me (in most ways)... although I'd read a lot of the slash before I'd seen the show... so I got into the show through the slash. It also made me read RPS.. which I've always thought was weird, but Jared/Jensen is awesome.

Also re: car. Dean LOVES the car... would it help you to know that he speaks to it and calls it "baby" at one point...
........
Bo Duke loves his car too...

[rionaleonhart]

would it help you to know that he speaks to it and calls it "baby" at one point...

Oh, I am looking forward to this so much. Man/car makes everything better.

And I applaud the recognisability of the dolls in your icon!