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We Will Be A Family If It Kills Us.

I love Ruby, and I'm fascinated by Castiel, but it was really nice to have a good old-fashioned 'the Winchesters tackle a case' episode again. And I rather liked the family they were trying to save. Yay for enjoyable minor characters!

I was a little afraid that my love for Supernatural might have dimmed over the hiatus, but this episode quickly reawakened it. This pleases me.

When I heard 'Uncle Ted', my immediate thought was of T-Bag. WATCH OUT FOR YOUR UNCLE, SMALL CHILDREN. And - oh, my, I've just realised that the mother's name was Susan. Suzie. And Uncle Ted. And Suzie's two children. That is amazing, and also horrible (especially given that Uncle Ted is actually Susan's brother in this case).

Of course, the 'Uncle Ted' connection meant that, when the girl stuck her hand under her bed and it was licked by Something That Obviously Wasn't Going To Be The Dog, I was compelled to shout 'THAT'S NOT THE DOG, IT'S T-BAG' at the screen.

As it was never confirmed that the hand-licker was one of the Incest Twins, I am going to assume that it actually was Uncle Ted. Hey, what's a little more incest to this episode?

(Supernatural has had quite a bit of incest lately, hasn't it? Do you think, by any chance, that they're poking fun at the fandom? I sort of love it when things poke fun at their fandoms.)

(I was rather impressed by the Incest Twins' ability to write, actually. Especially as they didn't appear to be able to speak, and I'll be surprised if their father-stroke-grandfather gave them many books.)

Overall, I liked this episode, but let's stop giving Dean great long emotional speeches at the ends of episodes, shall we? Jensen handles them well, but there's always going to be a slight air of ridiculousness around a great long emotional speech, and they should really be used very sparingly indeed. Using them two episodes in a row is just going to make my eyes roll all the way out of a cupboard.

...you know, like - like the baseball rolled out of a cupboard into Danny's room?

Okay, my metaphors may possibly need some work.

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I really hope these characters were referred to as The Incest Twins in the actual episode.

Tragically, they were not. (Even more tragically, I no longer have my icon of Sam looking woefully down to fully convey the tragedy of this.)

I was like 'I WANT TO KNOW THE BACKSTORY OF THE FAMILY' because from the start it was obvious they had one, and I wanted to know.

I was trying to forget about the Mary/Her dad kiss, but YES. Lots and lots of incest in there, and all of it wrong and creepy.

DEAN IS THIS CLOSE TO BEING A PSYCHO. I am more worried about him becoming evil than Sam.

I hope they became hunters. I KNOW IT IS PROBABLY UNLIKELY, ESPECIALLY AS THE GIRL WAS NOT ACTUALLY A GHOST, BUT I HOPE THEY BECAME HUNTERS ANYWAY.

And yes! Slamming Uncle Ted's head against the wall! Which alarmed me on multiple levels: Dean is losing it, yes, but also you really, really do not want to piss off T-Bag.

They are painting Dean into a corner and forgetting all about Sam and that episode was okay but so full of holes with sloppy writing and I fear for my Show. However, yes, there are buckets-o-incest this season. Incest babies and an ON SCREEN father/daughter snog... Yowza. It kinda... makes me really uncomfortable. Which makes me hugely hypocritical, but I like my incest fictional, not... uh... fictional on tv. When did this become normal again?? *panics slightly*

At this point, I'm starting to think that it's Dean who's going to go darkside, and Sam, the Antichrist, who gets to pull him back from the brink, or has to battle him, or... something amazing that they have yet to pull out of their hats. Right now I have fandom lethargy. Big time. I was hoping to spend loads of time merrily writing and reading and feeding my inner fangirl... but I find myself cleaning my room, reading SGA fic, and, most disturbingly, watching Mary Poppins. Sam and Dean do not approve.

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It kinda... makes me really uncomfortable. Which makes me hugely hypocritical, but I like my incest fictional, not... uh... fictional on tv.

PERHAPS THIS IS THE WRITERS' SECRET PLAN. PERHAPS THEY ARE SAYING 'HEY, HERE'S THE INCEST YOU WANTED. IT'S NOT NICE, IS IT?'

Dean was looking fairly darkside in this episode, yes. I am really interested in seeing where the overall plot is going. But, er, let's get there with fewer emotional Dean-speeches, all right? (And a bit of remembering Sam would also not go amiss. There's been one episode dealing with Sam's pain in this season, and the rest has all been about Dean. More Sam! More Winchesters.)

I liked this episode too! It makes me sad that so many people didn't. I liked the back-to-basics feel, and not having Ruby around was a plus for me. (don't hurt me!!)

Haha, yea! When the incest angle was revealed, I turned to my friend and I was like "SERIOUSLY? Doesn't this show have enough incest?" And she is not as involved in fandom, with reading fanfics and going to forums like me, so I'm surprised she laughed and didn't just look at me like I was insane.

We also commented on the fact that the psycho twins could write. That's awfully convenient. And did the girl speak to Danny, but only shrieked at everyone else?

I'm really sick of the emotional speeches tagged on at the end. It felt fake and added on last minute to me this time. And it actually didn't freak me out as much as it probably should have. They're losing impact, Show! Learn your lesson now, before you drag this format out!

Danny's really freaking stupid for that baseball from the closet scene. What sane child would talk to the creature inside and not run far away in the other direction?!? But I liked his sister (Me: "Hooker sheets! Oh, she's fun") so it's okay.

People didn't like this episode? I watched it a little too late to really follow episode reactions, so I was not aware of this. I thought it was a pretty enjoyable episode. And also incredibly creepy.

Seriously, this season! 'In the Beginning': incest and necrophilia. 'It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester': incest and necrophilia. 'I Know What You Did Last Summer': necrophilia. 'Family Remains': incest. WHAT IS THIS ALL LEADING TO, WRITERS?

I was also bewildered by Danny's behaviour. How old was he supposed to be? He looked about ten or twelve to me, which is clearly too old to be chatting happily with mysterious girls in the walls.

(Can you tell me what hooker sheets are, by any chance? Because I have absolutely no idea.)

Seriously, this season! 'In the Beginning': incest and necrophilia. 'It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester': incest and necrophilia. 'I Know What You Did Last Summer': necrophilia. 'Family Remains': incest. WHAT IS THIS ALL LEADING TO, WRITERS?
Well. Sam and Dean have both died, so... I'm hoping incest and necrophilia? ;)

Is it really necrophilia if they've both died, though? A child can't be a paedophile, so...

(I FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.)

Damn, that's a good point. Maybe just incest, then. :D

well, damn, they sure making it easy for people hoping for that, aren't they? :P

Yea, people didn't like all kinds of things about it. Pacing, plot holes, etc. Me? I say I liked it, and it definitely helps that it came after "Heaven and Hell" which I really DIDN'T like, so it's elevated even more.

I think it was probably just an offhand comment to imply that they stayed in a hotel with...less than favorable interior decorating. Well actually, that sounds silly. Basically, the decor probably seemed like the kind that hookers would be comfortable in. So...a flea bag kind of motel. The sort Sam and Dean are used to, you know.

I really enjoyed this episode. With all the angel stuff and so forth that's been going on (and I love all that too) it's been a while since I've been really scared by an episode and boy did this one do the trick! My face was half behind my hands through the whole episode, hah.

I did assume the girl could talk, since the kid kept saying how she said he could stay but the adults would have to go?

Um...I screamed a whole bunch. Which sent my floor running to see what was the matter, but when they just saw that I was watching the ep. they were just like, "Come on guys. She's just watching Supernatural again" in that kind of voice where they come running to our room way to many times becuause i scream watching Supernatural.
Oh, my hall mates...

Hahaha, Supernatural is going to get us all killed sometime, it'll be like the boy who cried wolf. By the time there's something to really scream about, nobody will care to check. ;P

I was actually quite freaked out watching this episode. Because I was watching it alone, at night, and with my cat the only other person in the house to protect me (he wouldn't do a good job, i wager).

i love how they just threw the brother (twin?) in there at the end but then didn't mention him or refer to him EVER AGAIN. Or even hint that there was more than one person/thing in the walls before he came along. after thought, much?

i am kinda sick of SPN making people who are victims also be monsters and thus deserve what's coming to them (usually death at the hands of the winchesters). way to show compassion, SPN.

but i think it was a bit of poking fun at the fandom. incest is BAD, fans, BAD. it makes dean grumpy.

Or even hint that there was more than one person/thing in the walls before he came along. after thought, much?
Actually I think the night vision thing was a hint that he was there, only I didn't realize it until afterwards. The kid, what'shisface, Danny was it? He wouldn't have night vision like that, and we saw the girl come in, so it must've been the brother watching them.

Oh, wow, I hadn't thought of that! I was wondering about the night vision scene! That's a bit brilliant.

I wondered about that as well, it wasn't until a friend of mine was watching after I had and simultaneously commenting at me that it fell into place for me. At the time I was watching I just thought maybe they were trying to outline it's really really dark in there. Ahahahaha. I'm awesome. [faceplant]

Oh, I am quite glad that I wasn't watching that episode alone in the dark.

i am kinda sick of SPN making people who are victims also be monsters and thus deserve what's coming to them

I thought Dean looked a bit freaked out after he shot the guy. I thought that perhaps, when he said nobody would be dying that night, there was a part of him that hoped nobody at all would die, freaky incest twins included.

Dean's 'ewww, incest?' reaction amused me rather a lot, I have to confess.

there was a part of him that hoped nobody at all would die - I originally read that as he hoped everybody would die! ok, brain. right. yes.

they didn't seem to entertain any ideas about how to not kill the freaky incest twins and still escape alive. though i guess maybe it was self-defense.

Dean's 'ewww, incest?' reaction amused me rather a lot, I have to confess. Like he was protesting just a bit too much? ;D

I like to be made fun of!

I don't even know why I said that, but I DO agree that I love that the episode was just a good old fashioned case. No salt and burn, but it was good! I really hope for more in future because I am fearing for my love of this season.

Being made fun of by one's own fandom source material is always fun, provided it's not too malicious.

I was a little saddened by the fact that the monsters were just people, because I was rather hoping for a good old-fashioned case with a good old-fashioned resolution, but I definitely enjoyed the episode anyway.

Is this episode on YouTube? Because even though I do not watch SPN, I will watch this one.

Also, re the speech, I had friend once who never watched the last two minutes of X-Men Evolution because Xavier emotional speeches were too much like Jerry's Final Thoughts.

This reference probably doesn't make sense to you, actually. Do you guys have Springer over there?

Xavier: Take care of yourself... and each other.
Other Xies: Um, yeah, OK.

Strange that we get (got? I'm not sure if it's still on. On pay-TV possibly) Jerry Springer in Australia ... actually, no, that's not strange. Most of our TV is from elsewhere except for the news and Home and Away and Neighbours. Sad but true. Oh, there's also Bondi Rescue.

Have you seen Jerry Springer: The Musical?

I saw the SPN ep on surfthechannel - streaming vid, if that helps. There were a lot of links and that was only the other night, so it's probably still up there. :)

Oh, Jerry, you and your sad attempts to be serious telly.

Is it bad that I'm trying to work out how one might do a Top Gear/Jerry Springer crossover? Because that's what was on my mind when I went to be last night.

It is! Although I don't know how long it'll be staying up there. Go to SupernaturalTime's channel, then watch the 4x11 videos in the following order (listed by duration): 9.58, 4.57, 9.38, 6.34, 4.28, 8.18 (basically the reverse of the order in which the clips are listed on the page).

What tempted you to watch this one? Was it the promise of incest? You can tell us if it was the promise of incest. It's not on the same level as 'In the Beginning' or 'It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester', in both of which the incest is a) onscreen and b) simultaneously necrophilia (seriously, there is something very wrong with this season), but it's there.

I have never seen an episode of Jerry Springer, I'm afraid. Once again, a cross-cultural reference is lost! (This happens to me all the time with the references Dean makes. I don't understand half the things he says.)

Once again, a cross-cultural reference is lost! (This happens to me all the time with the references Dean makes. I don't understand half the things he says.)
It's weird, considering I'm much closer to the UK you'd think I would get British references easier than American ones, but holy crap is that not the case. I'll be watching a UK show and be like ????????? but getting most things in US shows. I blame (thank?) the insane amount of US TV I've seen since I was a kid. :P

I'm tempted to send you a clip of Jerry, but you may get a wrong idea about Americans from it. But me and my mum watch it all the time for the lulz, and we adore Jerry.

I want to watch it for the prospect of The Incest Twins. Because that seems amusing.

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