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rionaleonhart) wrote2017-10-08 06:56 pm
rionaleonhart) wrote2017-10-08 06:56 pm
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Fuck, This Hurts, I Won't Lie.
Just finished the fourth chapter of Danganronpa V3.
Shuichi blushing after Tsumugi makes him a drink is sort of endearing. I've almost finished Maki's Free Time events; maybe I'll talk to Tsumugi afterwards. (I already have a bad feeling about Tsumugi's odds of surviving this chapter.)
If you're wondering 'is she shipping everything in this game?': quite possibly. This is a bad habit I have that's particularly pronounced in Danganronpa games, for some reason.
Huh, maybe Maki was originally supposed to become available for Free Time events later than Chapter Three. It turns out that my '??? are Maki's Free Time events out of order?' confusion was because her events call back to a plot-required conversation in Chapter Four.
These scenes of friendship between Shuichi, Kaito and Maki are all very sweet and I'm very concerned about what sort of heartbreak might be lying in wait for me.
Oh, excellent, I have the correct item for a bonus scene with Kaito and Maki! Which is just as well, because I'd genuinely have been tempted to reload an earlier save to get it otherwise.
Tsumugi: (to Shuichi) ‘If you were in a dating sim, you wouldn’t be the most popular, but you’d have fans.’ Tsumugi's Free Time events are pretty cute. I suspect I'm just before a murder; I hope she doesn't die before I can get her last scene.
oh my God, these Neo World avatars are so cute
I'm also charmed by Kaito getting really enthusiastic about the snow.
(when Kokichi approaches you just before you log out of the virtual world:) Well, Kokichi's definitely hitting on me. Also WHERE IS KAITO
Miu had some incredible lines ('You're literally confusing the shit out of me, 'cause this makes no sense and I gotta take a dump' was a particular favourite), but I'm just so glad the victim wasn't Kaito.
Rei was arguing for Kaito's guilt at the same time Kokichi was, in the same ways, and became slightly uncomfortable when I pointed this out. There are some similarities between Rei and Kokichi, although Rei is a lot less callous.
Kaito: (to Kokichi) You’re lying to his face!
Shuichi: Kaito!
Kokichi: Kaito, you keep interrupting me when I talk. Do you like me or something?
Kaito: Who would like you, dumbass? I was interested in Shuichi’s conversation!
'They're fighting over you,' Rei says.
(Notes made just before the trial:)
Other than Rantaro, Miu is the only character so far who hasn't died in the chapter in which their lab opened up.
It seems she was planning to murder Kokichi, and that the virtual world map wraps.
Kaito and Kokichi are the obvious suspects, which means it probably wasn't either of them. (Or so I hope. It's not impossible that the game might go 'well, you expect it not to be the obvious suspect, SO THIS TIME IT IS.' Please don't be Kaito.)
Both of my housemates suspect Keebo. I'm not sure why Keebo would want Miu dead. Keebo actually has a reason to be invested in keeping Miu around.
Come to think of it, though, was Keebo's avatar defined as a non-human object that, like Miu, could pass through the wall? That might explain why his voice was heard on the mansion side. Shuichi has been thinking 'there were two walls along the Y axis; which one did Miu put there?', but perhaps it's actually just one wall that wraps.
It's possible that Miu was killed on the mansion side and then dragged through the wall to the chapel side, but Keebo's probably the only one capable of doing that, and why would he? He was part of the 'search the chapel' team, so he'd be making himself look more suspicious if he moved the body to that side.
The inner voice that he obeys might be relevant here. Or he might want the body on the chapel side because otherwise people would realise, if they found Miu on the mansion side, that it's possible to move from the chapel to the mansion without using the bridge.
It also allows him to create an alibi for himself: leave Miu's body by the chapel and search the chapel with the other two, having arranged a loud sound that people will assume is the moment of death.
When did he have the opportunity to kill her, though? There was no mention of anyone leaving the chapel during the search.
An avatar, when injured, doesn't display any external wounds. So it would be entirely possible for Miu to fake her own death for some purpose; someone just lying down would be indistinguishable from the avatar of someone who's actually been killed.
So perhaps Miu created the loud sound, played dead, then crept off to kill Kokichi. Keebo follows her and kills her for some reason, then drags her avatar back to leave her where she originally played dead; if people assume that she was already dead when she was actually just faking it, he has an alibi.
Wait, how did the body discovery announcement come after Shuichi logged out if five people logged out just before him?
I hope it wasn't Tsumugi. If Tsumugi dies, her pants are lost to me forever.
(Notes made during the trial:)
I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE WAS STRANGLED WITH TOILET PAPER
In the second game, the characters who were killed in the simulation were left comatose. In that case, it's possible that, no matter who killed Miu in the simulation, the culprit for the purposes of the trial is the person who removed her visor, thus causing the death of her body. I... think that was Keebo, actually, so he's still the prime suspect.
I knew it was wrong, but I couldn't resist choosing the 'Miu wanted to meet up with Kokichi and use the hammer to CONFESS HER LOVE TO HIM' option. Sometimes you just have to take the hit to influence.
Wait. Wait. What are Love Hotel scenes? I just saw a mention of them online. I haven't checked the Love Hotel since it opened up in Chapter Two, and Shuichi just thought '???? what is this building?' – I'd investigate it again right now if I weren't in the middle of a trial!
I NEED TO TAKE KAITO TO THE LOVE HOTEL IF IT'S AN OPTION, THIS IS URGENT
If it's an option and he dies before Chapter Four is out, I'm going to throw the disc at the wall.
I ended up using the chapter select function to go to a Free Time slot and check. I... assume it has something to do with the Key of Love you can buy at the casino? I promptly caught enough salmon to buy it, but I don't know how to use it! Looking at the hotel with it in your inventory does nothing, spending a sixth Free Time with someone with it in your inventory does nothing, giving it to someone as a Free Time present does nothing (although Kaito seemed very pleased to receive it). I'm mystified. (Apparently you need to sleep with it in your inventory. I haven’t tried this yet.)
Well, I haven't found out anything about 'Love Hotel scenes', but I've found an accurate depiction of the inside of my head.
I can't believe that, having already had ziplining corpses (or close enough), we now have tobogganing corpses.
...thinking about it, Gonta is the only possible culprit I can see at this point. But surely he wouldn't do it?
Kokichi's Flowey-from-Undertale expressions make me very uncomfortable.
...did Kokichi pull some sort of avatar-switching trick?
I'm going to feel really bad if Gonta ends up getting executed for something Kokichi did.
I'm very concerned that this trial might break me and my boyfriend up.
THIS TRIAL IS SO UPSETTING
At the Climax Inference. This is the worst case. I'm so unhappy.
Finished Chapter Four. Holy shit, that was awful. The entire second half of the trial was just two solid hours of absolute misery.
I do wonder whether Kokichi cares at least a touch more than he's letting on. He claims not to care about Gonta, but he wasn't cruel enough to say that directly to Gonta before the execution.
More importantly, though, Gonta has been executed for a crime he doesn't remember committing and Kaito is possibly dying and doesn't want to be around his boyfriend and this game is the worst.
On the plus side, I suppose there aren't any Monokubs left. Every cloud.
I'm a little surprised the question of whether Keebo could have passed through the wall never even arose.
By the end of the trial, Shuichi was so unhappy that he wasn't even saying 'that's it!' or 'got it!' when he got an answer right. I know how he feels. Even for a game about teenagers murdering each other, that chapter was a hell of a downer. I'm just going to sit around and be sad for a while.
I've been preparing for Kaito dying since Chapter Two! I hadn't prepared for them breaking up!
This case was a bit too heavy for me, I think. By the end of the trial, my feelings were 'this is a good game, but I'm not enjoying it right now.' I hope at least a little light ends up shining through, and it's not just solid misery up to the end. Dangan Ronpa games have never exactly been cheerful, but there's love to be found there, there's hope, there's perseverance in the face of terrible things. Right now, things feel bleak, and I hope that bleakness eases a little.
I think the odds of Kaito surviving Chapter Five are staggeringly low, so I really, really hope that he and Shuichi are at least going to make up before he dies. If Kaito dies not wanting to speak to Shuichi, I'm going to be absolutely miserable.
why do I play these games
Shuichi blushing after Tsumugi makes him a drink is sort of endearing. I've almost finished Maki's Free Time events; maybe I'll talk to Tsumugi afterwards. (I already have a bad feeling about Tsumugi's odds of surviving this chapter.)
If you're wondering 'is she shipping everything in this game?': quite possibly. This is a bad habit I have that's particularly pronounced in Danganronpa games, for some reason.
Huh, maybe Maki was originally supposed to become available for Free Time events later than Chapter Three. It turns out that my '??? are Maki's Free Time events out of order?' confusion was because her events call back to a plot-required conversation in Chapter Four.
These scenes of friendship between Shuichi, Kaito and Maki are all very sweet and I'm very concerned about what sort of heartbreak might be lying in wait for me.
Oh, excellent, I have the correct item for a bonus scene with Kaito and Maki! Which is just as well, because I'd genuinely have been tempted to reload an earlier save to get it otherwise.
Tsumugi: (to Shuichi) ‘If you were in a dating sim, you wouldn’t be the most popular, but you’d have fans.’ Tsumugi's Free Time events are pretty cute. I suspect I'm just before a murder; I hope she doesn't die before I can get her last scene.
oh my God, these Neo World avatars are so cute
I'm also charmed by Kaito getting really enthusiastic about the snow.
(when Kokichi approaches you just before you log out of the virtual world:) Well, Kokichi's definitely hitting on me. Also WHERE IS KAITO
Miu had some incredible lines ('You're literally confusing the shit out of me, 'cause this makes no sense and I gotta take a dump' was a particular favourite), but I'm just so glad the victim wasn't Kaito.
Rei was arguing for Kaito's guilt at the same time Kokichi was, in the same ways, and became slightly uncomfortable when I pointed this out. There are some similarities between Rei and Kokichi, although Rei is a lot less callous.
Kaito: (to Kokichi) You’re lying to his face!
Shuichi: Kaito!
Kokichi: Kaito, you keep interrupting me when I talk. Do you like me or something?
Kaito: Who would like you, dumbass? I was interested in Shuichi’s conversation!
'They're fighting over you,' Rei says.
(Notes made just before the trial:)
Other than Rantaro, Miu is the only character so far who hasn't died in the chapter in which their lab opened up.
It seems she was planning to murder Kokichi, and that the virtual world map wraps.
Kaito and Kokichi are the obvious suspects, which means it probably wasn't either of them. (Or so I hope. It's not impossible that the game might go 'well, you expect it not to be the obvious suspect, SO THIS TIME IT IS.' Please don't be Kaito.)
Both of my housemates suspect Keebo. I'm not sure why Keebo would want Miu dead. Keebo actually has a reason to be invested in keeping Miu around.
Come to think of it, though, was Keebo's avatar defined as a non-human object that, like Miu, could pass through the wall? That might explain why his voice was heard on the mansion side. Shuichi has been thinking 'there were two walls along the Y axis; which one did Miu put there?', but perhaps it's actually just one wall that wraps.
It's possible that Miu was killed on the mansion side and then dragged through the wall to the chapel side, but Keebo's probably the only one capable of doing that, and why would he? He was part of the 'search the chapel' team, so he'd be making himself look more suspicious if he moved the body to that side.
The inner voice that he obeys might be relevant here. Or he might want the body on the chapel side because otherwise people would realise, if they found Miu on the mansion side, that it's possible to move from the chapel to the mansion without using the bridge.
It also allows him to create an alibi for himself: leave Miu's body by the chapel and search the chapel with the other two, having arranged a loud sound that people will assume is the moment of death.
When did he have the opportunity to kill her, though? There was no mention of anyone leaving the chapel during the search.
An avatar, when injured, doesn't display any external wounds. So it would be entirely possible for Miu to fake her own death for some purpose; someone just lying down would be indistinguishable from the avatar of someone who's actually been killed.
So perhaps Miu created the loud sound, played dead, then crept off to kill Kokichi. Keebo follows her and kills her for some reason, then drags her avatar back to leave her where she originally played dead; if people assume that she was already dead when she was actually just faking it, he has an alibi.
Wait, how did the body discovery announcement come after Shuichi logged out if five people logged out just before him?
I hope it wasn't Tsumugi. If Tsumugi dies, her pants are lost to me forever.
(Notes made during the trial:)
I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE WAS STRANGLED WITH TOILET PAPER
In the second game, the characters who were killed in the simulation were left comatose. In that case, it's possible that, no matter who killed Miu in the simulation, the culprit for the purposes of the trial is the person who removed her visor, thus causing the death of her body. I... think that was Keebo, actually, so he's still the prime suspect.
I knew it was wrong, but I couldn't resist choosing the 'Miu wanted to meet up with Kokichi and use the hammer to CONFESS HER LOVE TO HIM' option. Sometimes you just have to take the hit to influence.
Wait. Wait. What are Love Hotel scenes? I just saw a mention of them online. I haven't checked the Love Hotel since it opened up in Chapter Two, and Shuichi just thought '???? what is this building?' – I'd investigate it again right now if I weren't in the middle of a trial!
I NEED TO TAKE KAITO TO THE LOVE HOTEL IF IT'S AN OPTION, THIS IS URGENT
If it's an option and he dies before Chapter Four is out, I'm going to throw the disc at the wall.
I ended up using the chapter select function to go to a Free Time slot and check. I... assume it has something to do with the Key of Love you can buy at the casino? I promptly caught enough salmon to buy it, but I don't know how to use it! Looking at the hotel with it in your inventory does nothing, spending a sixth Free Time with someone with it in your inventory does nothing, giving it to someone as a Free Time present does nothing (although Kaito seemed very pleased to receive it). I'm mystified. (Apparently you need to sleep with it in your inventory. I haven’t tried this yet.)
Well, I haven't found out anything about 'Love Hotel scenes', but I've found an accurate depiction of the inside of my head.
I can't believe that, having already had ziplining corpses (or close enough), we now have tobogganing corpses.
...thinking about it, Gonta is the only possible culprit I can see at this point. But surely he wouldn't do it?
Kokichi's Flowey-from-Undertale expressions make me very uncomfortable.
...did Kokichi pull some sort of avatar-switching trick?
I'm going to feel really bad if Gonta ends up getting executed for something Kokichi did.
I'm very concerned that this trial might break me and my boyfriend up.
THIS TRIAL IS SO UPSETTING
At the Climax Inference. This is the worst case. I'm so unhappy.
Finished Chapter Four. Holy shit, that was awful. The entire second half of the trial was just two solid hours of absolute misery.
I do wonder whether Kokichi cares at least a touch more than he's letting on. He claims not to care about Gonta, but he wasn't cruel enough to say that directly to Gonta before the execution.
More importantly, though, Gonta has been executed for a crime he doesn't remember committing and Kaito is possibly dying and doesn't want to be around his boyfriend and this game is the worst.
On the plus side, I suppose there aren't any Monokubs left. Every cloud.
I'm a little surprised the question of whether Keebo could have passed through the wall never even arose.
By the end of the trial, Shuichi was so unhappy that he wasn't even saying 'that's it!' or 'got it!' when he got an answer right. I know how he feels. Even for a game about teenagers murdering each other, that chapter was a hell of a downer. I'm just going to sit around and be sad for a while.
I've been preparing for Kaito dying since Chapter Two! I hadn't prepared for them breaking up!
This case was a bit too heavy for me, I think. By the end of the trial, my feelings were 'this is a good game, but I'm not enjoying it right now.' I hope at least a little light ends up shining through, and it's not just solid misery up to the end. Dangan Ronpa games have never exactly been cheerful, but there's love to be found there, there's hope, there's perseverance in the face of terrible things. Right now, things feel bleak, and I hope that bleakness eases a little.
I think the odds of Kaito surviving Chapter Five are staggeringly low, so I really, really hope that he and Shuichi are at least going to make up before he dies. If Kaito dies not wanting to speak to Shuichi, I'm going to be absolutely miserable.
why do I play these games
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Just. GAMES. STOP THIS. GIVE ME SOMETHING FUN, THE WORLD SUCKS ENOUGH AS IT IS.
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(Dangan Ronpa games traditionally let you unlock a stupid dating sim mode when you finish them, so maybe that'll at least help a little if things don't look up in the actual story.)
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(I did spend the last hour yelling at Noct's new facial hair, though. WHY, NOCT. WHY, PROMPTO .......Gladio, you did surprisingly good.)
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(I'm so sorry. Noctis and Prompto's facial hair is the most tragic thing in the entire game.)
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(Anonymous) 2017-10-08 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)Chapter 4
The headsets they wear before exploring the Virtual World programme look familiar… like the ones we saw in flashback before?
Before Investigation: It can’t be Kokichi, surely? This chapter has been the equivalent of him dancing around covered in blood and screaming “LOOK, GUYS, I KILLED SOMEONE”. Would they really make a case so obvious? He had a secret meeting with Monokuma! He’s clearly plotting something regarding Miu’s plan! He has a whispered conversation with her! He was the only one who has potentially seen the motive! He was in the salon, and thus was the one who was in the best position to be able to log out and hurt Miu! He stays behind so could potentially tamper with evidence! HE LITERALLY MAKES A COMMENT ABOUT STRANGLING PEOPLE HE LIKES A SECOND BEFORE YOU FIND THE BODY THAT LOOKS STRANGLED. That’s gotta be a red herring or we may as well skip the investigation and get extra free times! (Also, his Ultimate Lab still isn’t revealed yet and so far, Rantaro aside, all the dead people have revealed labs.) The only way I can see it being him is if this case wants to firmly focus on the how rather than the who. And I suppose at least two of the blatant hints happened when Shuichi wasn’t there.
Investigation: I do like that this game changes up your investigation partner per chapter. Kaede, Kaito, Maki, now Kokichi.
Theories/Killer Guesses Based Off Investigation/Logic (I Won’t Amend This While the Trial Is On):
Okay, so I think somebody initially had (possibly deliberately?) plugged in the wires the wrong way causing the initial user error. I did at one point wonder if Miu and Kokichi’s avatars were both appearing as the others since Miu seemed to be acting out of character, but the Kokichi avatar was in character as Kokichi. Also, since Miu’s avatar was the one to stop and her body was also dead, that wouldn’t make sense… and it couldn’t be that KochikiAsMiu was frozen since otherwise there’d be another person unable to log out.
Miu being a non-human object would allow her to pass through things, but surely it’d also prevent her from being breakable/killable in the virtual world? Unless changing how the avatars worked had unintended consequences…
The lattice was from the storeroom on the roof of the mansion, anyway, so somebody picked that up.
It sound like Miu may have been using admin type powers to manipulate things though… or maybe it’s just that as an object she can presumably just walk through things like the river, no issues there.
Kokichi is just way too obvious, surely.
Same with Kaito… he was forcibly logged out, and I don’t know if he slept or not, but he probably had some bloody coughing again or something. Plus, I can’t see him deliberately killing. Kokichi is also gung ho about accusing him.
We did hear Keebo, so maybe it’s him? But that seems more like the answer to the mystery of the world rather than an actual culprit.
Could be Tsumugi since she weirdly waited ten minutes to tell us after witnessing Miu? It’s a bit weak, but let’s go with her.
Huh. Let’s see how this goes.
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After Trial:
I played a lot of this case on dangerously low health because of the “World Loops” hangman’s gambit… which is ironic, because literally the phrase “the world is looping” occurred to me in the previous section. But I never quite know where to start with only seeing a few letters for this hangman’s gambit, so sometimes I shoot random things to see an initial letter (I could see “world” in there, but figured it might be the second word since it was 5-5)… lesson learned I guess! I went from 7 hearts to 3. By the end of the Split Opinion debate, I was on a tiny sliver of health which I thought was fairly impressive since I’d been down to 3 hearts for most of the trial (and since I’m playing on mean logic I take big hits for wrong answers… a whole heart, sometimes slightly more than that). I was back up to 4 hearts at the end of the trial.
Poor Gonta. :( In fairness, I’m surprised he last so long: he was so naïve that it was clear that he’d either die or be manipulated into killing. I didn’t necessarily expect it in this case, though, since his physical strength was taking out of the equation: you could almost see him accidentally killing someone with his strength. And he DID say he’d be the bodyguard for Kokichi… maybe he thought he was protecting him? (After the post trial explanation: poor, poor, Gonta.)
Miu was crafty; I’ll give her that!
Also poor Riona; Kaito and Shuichi’s relationship is hitting a snag called Kokichi! Damnit, Kokichi, you’re pretty great as a character for the conflict you bring (rather like Komaeda) but please don’t wreck the great friendship! Also, Maki might kill us.
This chapter went back to killing characters I like. :(
(I've generally been keeping pace with you, but I'm a full chapter ahead now - just finished chapter 5 - so had to make sure I was c+ping the right bit!)
-timydamonkey
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I was also thinking this! I suppose it makes sense that in the end he turned out to be behind the murder and yet not technically the culprit.
The varied investigative partners are a nice touch! I'm curious to see who'll help us out in Chapter Five, if we get another new assistant.
The 'world loops' Hangman's Gambit was a nightmare. I ended up writing the potential letters down on a piece of paper and trying to work it out there.
Poor, poor Gonta. And, yes, poor me! I'm very distressed by the current state of affairs.
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That is an absolutely amazing line, and I regret that I will never have the nerve to say that to someone.
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