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rionaleonhart) wrote2024-08-21 03:23 pm
rionaleonhart) wrote2024-08-21 03:23 pm
The Borg Are Very Well Borganised.
Tem has been showing me Star Trek: Deep Space 9! I have very little prior experience of Star Trek - I'd only previously seen a handful of original series episodes and the 2009 film - so this is an interesting experience.
I'm not currently experiencing any desire to jump into the DS9 fandom, but I am enjoying the show. We're in early season five; we've just seen 'Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places'. Here are some scattered thoughts:
- This show feels surprisingly contemporary! There are a few entertaining details, e.g. the fact that every document appears to be on a separate electronic tablet (very much in the vein of Red Dwarf's 'VHS tapes are triangular now, because it's the future!'), but it rarely feels dated. It also feels a lot more intentionally homoerotic than I tend to expect of shows from the nineties!
- Sisko is probably my favourite character. I really like his relationship with Jake, and how much he cares for his crew, and the insubordinate streak he has to keep carefully masked with surface courtesy in his position as the station's commander.
- I really enjoy the friendship between Sisko and Dax, but also I sort of ship them a little, largely because introducing a romantic or sexual element to their dynamic would be so deeply weird for Sisko. I just like it when characters are unsettled and confused by their own feelings!
- Nobody on this space station knows how to stand a normal distance from each other. This was also an issue on Lost, come to think of it: whenever two characters are in the same shot, it feels like they're about to make out. I say 'issue', but in fact I am absolutely not complaining.
- We started this watchthrough when I was very much in Death Note mode, so it was weird to learn that DS9 includes a character called Kira! Both DS9 Kira and Death Note Kira are strong believers in solving problems through the power of murder, too. ('Kira is so violent,' Tem commented, 'and she thinks that's morally bad of her, whereas I think it's morally cool of her.')
- I find it very funny that everyone's into Kira. Kira may not be the protagonist of the show itself, but she's the protagonist of a dating sim going on off to the side. Has anyone made a dating sim in which you play as Kira Nerys? Someone should.
If I played the hypothetical Kira dating sim, incidentally, I'd be most interested in pursuing the Odo route (Odo's crush on her is very sad and sweet), the Gul Dukat route (their 'mutual hostility, but also Dukat is really into her' dynamic is incredible), and the O'Brien threesome route.
- I'm going to linger on the subject of a Kira/Miles/Keiko threesome, because Kira being pregnant with Miles and Keiko's child is the storyline that finally made me go 'okay, I have to write an entry about this show now'. The show dealing with the real-life pregnancy of Kira's actor by transferring Miles and Keiko's foetus into Kira's womb: insane, incredible, I could never come up with such a stroke of genius. And then Kira moves into the O'Briens' quarters!
- I mentioned earlier that I love characters being unsettled and confused by their own feelings, and 'Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places' was iiiiiincredible for that. Miles and Kira having weird feelings about each other in their already very weird 'cohabiting while she's carrying his child' situation absolutely delighted me. Perfect episode.
Tem: DS9 is the Star Trek where I'd be least surprised to learn that all the main characters had had an orgy.
Ginger: Sisko doesn't seem as horny as the others.
Riona: But he'd still be part of the orgy, I think. He wouldn't cry if he missed out on it, in the way Bashir would, but he'd be up for getting involved.
Ginger: Oh, wow, Bashir would be heartbroken. You should write the fic where everyone except Bashir has an orgy, and then Bashir finds out.
Tem: No! That would be so sad! You can only write it if it ends with everyone making up for it with a gangbang focused on Bashir.
I'm not currently experiencing any desire to jump into the DS9 fandom, but I am enjoying the show. We're in early season five; we've just seen 'Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places'. Here are some scattered thoughts:
- This show feels surprisingly contemporary! There are a few entertaining details, e.g. the fact that every document appears to be on a separate electronic tablet (very much in the vein of Red Dwarf's 'VHS tapes are triangular now, because it's the future!'), but it rarely feels dated. It also feels a lot more intentionally homoerotic than I tend to expect of shows from the nineties!
- Sisko is probably my favourite character. I really like his relationship with Jake, and how much he cares for his crew, and the insubordinate streak he has to keep carefully masked with surface courtesy in his position as the station's commander.
- I really enjoy the friendship between Sisko and Dax, but also I sort of ship them a little, largely because introducing a romantic or sexual element to their dynamic would be so deeply weird for Sisko. I just like it when characters are unsettled and confused by their own feelings!
- Nobody on this space station knows how to stand a normal distance from each other. This was also an issue on Lost, come to think of it: whenever two characters are in the same shot, it feels like they're about to make out. I say 'issue', but in fact I am absolutely not complaining.
- We started this watchthrough when I was very much in Death Note mode, so it was weird to learn that DS9 includes a character called Kira! Both DS9 Kira and Death Note Kira are strong believers in solving problems through the power of murder, too. ('Kira is so violent,' Tem commented, 'and she thinks that's morally bad of her, whereas I think it's morally cool of her.')
- I find it very funny that everyone's into Kira. Kira may not be the protagonist of the show itself, but she's the protagonist of a dating sim going on off to the side. Has anyone made a dating sim in which you play as Kira Nerys? Someone should.
If I played the hypothetical Kira dating sim, incidentally, I'd be most interested in pursuing the Odo route (Odo's crush on her is very sad and sweet), the Gul Dukat route (their 'mutual hostility, but also Dukat is really into her' dynamic is incredible), and the O'Brien threesome route.
- I'm going to linger on the subject of a Kira/Miles/Keiko threesome, because Kira being pregnant with Miles and Keiko's child is the storyline that finally made me go 'okay, I have to write an entry about this show now'. The show dealing with the real-life pregnancy of Kira's actor by transferring Miles and Keiko's foetus into Kira's womb: insane, incredible, I could never come up with such a stroke of genius. And then Kira moves into the O'Briens' quarters!
- I mentioned earlier that I love characters being unsettled and confused by their own feelings, and 'Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places' was iiiiiincredible for that. Miles and Kira having weird feelings about each other in their already very weird 'cohabiting while she's carrying his child' situation absolutely delighted me. Perfect episode.
Tem: DS9 is the Star Trek where I'd be least surprised to learn that all the main characters had had an orgy.
Ginger: Sisko doesn't seem as horny as the others.
Riona: But he'd still be part of the orgy, I think. He wouldn't cry if he missed out on it, in the way Bashir would, but he'd be up for getting involved.
Ginger: Oh, wow, Bashir would be heartbroken. You should write the fic where everyone except Bashir has an orgy, and then Bashir finds out.
Tem: No! That would be so sad! You can only write it if it ends with everyone making up for it with a gangbang focused on Bashir.