Dean's Application To Be A Knight Would Not Be Accepted.

[rionaleonhart]

HERE IS AN AMAZING MERLIN/ARTHUR FANVID FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT. (Not by me, obviously. I wish I could have come up with this.)

Has anyone written a Supernatural/Merlin crossover comparing the two pairs who are ridiculously willing to sacrifice their lives for each other? Arthur and Merlin do, in some ways, feel like a no less secretive but far more healthy Sam and Dean. I would be very interested in seeing how they would react to each other when Sam and Dean, er, inexplicably turn up at Camelot. Perhaps they are investigating sinister stone angels and get sent back in time. Uther would probably try to have Sam burnt at the stake.

A few specific thoughts on Merlin (spoilers up to 'The Labyrinth of Gedref'):



On 'The Gates of Avalon': Prince Arthur, when being dragged out of a lake, looks terrifyingly like David Tennant. Seriously, take a look at these screencaps. Merlin goes diving for the future king and emerges with the Doctor. It is more than a little disturbing.

On 'The Labyrinth of Gedref': that was the most homoerotic rat-eating scene I have ever watched. Not that it has much competition, but I was impressed.

On Merlin in general: I am slightly disturbed by Merlin's utter lack of remorse when killing people. I mean, yes, all right, he only kills people to defend himself or others, but I still find it somewhat alarming. He is such a lovely boy most of the time! He wants to help everyone! And then, er, the people he helps poison him or grow up to kill his boyfriend.

ANYWAY.

Actually, that is a rather odd recurring theme in Merlin. When Merlin helps people, it creates problems; when he kills people, it solves them. There's certainly nothing wrong with not having a conventional moral message, but it did confuse me a bit. This is largely, I suspect, because I do tend to expect a certain morality from a family show, and so I subconsciously file aspects into the 'this must be the moral message' box as I watch and then become bewildered when I rummage through the box later and come out with 'DON'T HELP PEOPLE; KILL THEM'.



Of course, besides musing on television morality, I have been considering the far more pressing question of what Hogwarts Houses the characters of Merlin would be sorted into. Arthur and Merlin are both pure Gryffindor. Gwen is a Hufflepuff. Morgana I'm not sure about; perhaps she would be a Ravenclaw? Gaius would be a Ravenclaw, I think, although reipan suggests Hufflepuff, and Uther, were he actually willing to go to the castle and put on the Sorting Hat, would be a Slytherin. (I very much enjoy the idea of Uther receiving an acceptance letter from Hogwarts. He would be furious.)

IMPORTANT QUESTION: does anyone know much about attitudes to homosexuality in the Dark Ages? Were Merlin and Arthur to be discovered to be in a sexual relationship, would there be shock, and if so would it be based more on the fact that they are both male or on the fact that Merlin is so far Arthur's social inferior?

(...yes, I may possibly be considering fanfiction. Possibly.)

Comments

[apiphile.livejournal.com]

HISTORY TIME: The first law making buggery illegal in England was passed by Henry VIII at the beginning of the Renaissance period. SO. In the Dark Ages it may or may not have been acceptable, but it was certainly not ILLEGAL.

Social inferiority: It's all about who's penetrating who. If Merlin's being bummed by Arthur that could well be considered Arthur's right as his Lord/whatever. If the other way around, possibly treason.

HISTORY IS FUN.

[rionaleonhart]

Thank you very much! Fanfiction is so educational.

[loz]

I ONLY JUST MADE A JOKE ABOUT MERLIN AND 'NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP', LIKE, LITERALLY, AN HOUR AGO. ARGH!

[rionaleonhart]

Clearly, all my entries are made in response to your subconscious psychic commands.

[dracothelizard.livejournal.com]

"Perhaps they are investigating sinister stone angels and get sent back in time."

You just want to make it Doctor Who/Supernatural/Merlin so you can throw in the Doctor and his companion, Derren Brown.

I don't think you should worry too much about being historically accurate, it's not like the show really bothered to be historically accurate most of them either.

[rionaleonhart]

You just want to make it Doctor Who/Supernatural/Merlin so you can throw in the Doctor and his companion, Derren Brown.

I DO NOT THINK THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE WISH.

Ahahaha, oh, Merlin, you and your sandwiches and your potatoes and your strawberries and your ethnically diverse knights. And I suppose there probably weren't many dragons living under castles in mediaeval England, either.

[adelate]

They did keep saying in the audio commentaries how it wasn't even supposed to be accurate, haha! It's fantasy, apparently, and they were kind of miffed how people were so annoyed by the sandwiches and whatnot but how nobody minded the dragon. :D

In other news, I would totally read that fic.

[timydamonkey.livejournal.com]

Has anyone written a Supernatural/Merlin crossover comparing the two pairs who are ridiculously willing to sacrifice their lives for each other? Arthur and Merlin do, in some ways, feel like a no less secretive but far more healthy Sam and Dean. I would be very interested in seeing how they would react to each other when Sam and Dean, er, inexplicably turn up at Camelot. Perhaps they are investigating sinister stone angels and get sent back in time. Uther would probably try to have Sam burnt at the stake.

I don't even watch Merlin and this still sounds brilliant!

It isn't even the oddest crossover idea I've ever heard, either, which is oddly worrying. (That would probably belong to the bizarrely prevalent FF7/DBZ crossovers. HOW ARE THEY EVEN REMOTELY RELATED? Why not cross it over with FF9, where there are people with tails?! ...Ahem.)

[rionaleonhart]

I would really like to read it! Sadly, I don't imagine there's a great deal of overlap between the Merlin and the Supernatural fandoms, and the Merlin fandom has only existed for half a year, so I'll be surprised if anyone has written such a thing yet.

(From the very little I know about Dragonball Z, I'd be more inclined to cross it over with IX, certainly. I suppose Cloud has vaguely Super Saiyan-esque hair.)

[th-esaurus.livejournal.com]

Uther would probably try to have Sam burnt at the stake.

Not gonna lie, I would watch that.

I am curious about the fic you are possibly considering! Especially if it involves historically accurate attitudes towards sexuality because that is one of my FAVOURITE THINGS.

[rionaleonhart]

Alas, I do not actually know what the fic I am possibly considering is! All I know is that I would quite like to write some Merlin/Arthur, and I feel that knowing the attitudes towards sexuality at the time would be a good starting point.

[emmarrrrr.livejournal.com]

Oh god. Uther's face upon receiving a hogwarts letter; PRICELESS

in other hp-related news; i watched philosopher's stone on on of the sky movie channels literally JUST NOW. i miss richard harris.

spn/merlin = YES PLEASE. also, stone angels = yes because then the doctor can turn up with his companion derren brown.

[rionaleonhart]

Uther would be so angry! And he would hide Arthur's Hogwarts letter, and Merlin would discover it and have a little crisis, because he wants to have Arthur with him at Hogwarts but he knows Uther will never allow Arthur to go.

Derren and the Doctor in Camelot is an idea that excites me very much.

[squeemu.livejournal.com]

INTERESTINGLY

A few weeks ago I stumbled across a little_details entry that asked about the consequences of homosexuality in Europe (http://community.livejournal.com/little_details/2266027.html?#cutid1). There's a lot of really interesting and informative comments over there, if you have a lot of time on your hands.

[rionaleonhart]

Thank you so much; that's a very interesting link!

[moogle62.livejournal.com]

Merlin's lack of angsting over killing people occurred to me in several episodes, but then I dismissed it because I found it quite refreshing to watch a programme where the ANGST over killing people didn't bludgeon me over the head every five minutes. I am aware that this says some dubious things about my moral character. Er. Oops?

I WANT TO SEE UTHER'S REACTION TO GETTING A HOGWARTS LETTER. IN FACT, I WANT TO SEE HIS REACTION TO DERREN AFTER ONLY HAVING RECENTLY RECEIVED A LETTER FROM HOGWARTS. ("You're not from That Place, are you? Because if you are, BEGONE FROM MY COURT BEFORE YOUR HEAD LEAVES WITHOUT YOU. P.S. I like executions!")

[rionaleonhart]

I think it is all right to accept Merlin's lack of angst! As I said, I think my 'wait, what?' reaction was mainly because I didn't expect it.

Uther's reaction to getting a Hogwarts letter would be amazing. (YES. And Derren would be forced to hide the fact that he is, in fact, the headmaster.)

[hold-onhope.livejournal.com]

Oooh, random Havemercy fan. *waves*

[x-los.livejournal.com]

IMPORTANT QUESTION: does anyone know much about attitudes to homosexuality in the Dark Ages? Were Merlin and Arthur to be discovered to be in a sexual relationship, would there be shock, and if so would it be based more on the fact that they are both male or on the fact that Merlin is so far Arthur's social inferior?

I'd say it doesn't matter b/c Merlin isn't in the real middle ages. There's this big high SPARKLING CLEAN gothic castle/Castrovalva thing that no one's building till at LEAST the 1200s, Morgana's clothes are all over the place, no one has a religious persuasion of any kind (except to Old Magic?), class issues are mostly peripheral, there are randomer minorities running around--basically it would feel odd to me to try and seriously include historical realities re: homosexuality in a universe that's already so wickety-wack with its relationship to RL. Mostly, I think you're FREE! FREE TO DESPOIL LEGEND!CANON AND HISTORY AND ARTHUR!! as you will.

[rionaleonhart]

Hee! I am aware that Merlin isn't enormously concerned with historical accuracy, but I still have only the vaguest idea of what I'd actually like to write, and I thought perhaps knowing a little bit about the historical period in which it is semi-set might cause inspiration to magically spring forth. It is certainly good to know that people will not judge me for taking liberties, though, so thank you!

I think what I was really musing on was how Merlin and Arthur themselves would react. Perhaps Arthur is just completely oblivious to Merlin's smittenness and rather confused by his manservant's odd behaviour, as the possibility of Merlin's being attracted to him has never crossed his mind. That could be fun.

[make-a-move.livejournal.com]

I notice that you have an icon now. It must be Love.

[rionaleonhart]

I love falling head-over-heels for a fandom. I HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH ICONS OF CHARACTERS LOOKING SLIGHTLY SMUG ALREADY, BUT MY NEED FOR MERLIN ICONS COULD NOT BE DENIED.

[adelate]

I'm now picturing Uther's face upon receiving a Hogwarts letter and LAUGHING MY ASS OFF. He would scrunch it up into a little paper ball in his gloved hands and glare at people a lot!

[rionaleonhart]

Hee, yes! He'd probably declare war on Hogwarts, only to be thwarted by its Unplottability.

[eva-kasumi.livejournal.com]

That video was indeed amazing, but somehow I found one of the ones it linked to afterwards to be even more fabulous! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTw2gj6DhNM&NR=1

Anyway, I watched the first two episodes of Merlin a while ago, and though I was charmed, I was not taken enough by the standard episode plots to not get bored halfway through. But I do want to watch it, and so I was wondering if you might perchance have any particularly recommended episodes, or an idea of which I should skip?

Also wondering if you have heard anything about the fact that that lovely Arthur/Merlin subtext is intentional and all. 'Cause, uh, that's what I heard, a while back. Maybe I should look this up.

[vzg.livejournal.com]

Ferngully icon? :D!!!

[lovestories.livejournal.com]

(I very much enjoy the idea of Uther receiving an acceptance letter from Hogwarts. He would be furious.)

THIS = PERFECTION. Also, I am very much inclined to think of Morgana as a Slytherin because of 1.12. THAT WHOLE ASSASSINATION PLOT DEVELOPED VERY, VERY QUICKLY. (Annnnd also because of her impending transformation to the Dark And Crazy side.)

ALSO, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQPW24_Y38)

[rionaleonhart]

THAT IS AMAZING. ARTHUR'S EXPRESSIONS ARE PERFECT. 'That's very interesting.'

You make a good case! Morgana could very well be a Slytherin. I do think Ravenclaw is a possibility, though. (Although, when I really think about it, I can't find an argument for picking Ravenclaw over Slytherin beyond 'MORGANA IS AWESOME. RAVENCLAW IS AWESOME. THEREFORE, MORGANA IS A RAVENCLAW'.)

[johnnypurple.livejournal.com]

Oh man, did you just rickroll me??!?!?!? *gasp!* but also LOLOLOL!
;D

I am slightly disturbed by Merlin's utter lack of remorse when killing people - yeah... and he doesn't even remembering killing them! It comes a bit too naturally for him. Fail, writers, fail.

YAY! RIONA FANFICTION! Squee!

Here, have another fanvid, made by none other than nixwilliams and sajee!

[rionaleonhart]

I did consider that perhaps Merlin's lack of conflict over killing people might have been an attempt to be historically accurate, but why would the writers choose to be historically accurate in that aspect alone, of all things?

Thank you for the video link! (Wow, that cover! I didn't know that song could be good.)

[saaski-moql.livejournal.com]

I UNDERSTAND THINGS ABOUT THIS POST NOW.