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- I really liked Zachariah's 'pfft, do you really think Lilith could have broken sixty-five seals already were we actually trying to stop it?' You are not as useless as you seem, angels! You are gits, but you are not as useless as you seem.

- I wonder how Derren-Brown-as-Ithuriel would fit into the angelic apocalypse plan. Presumably he would fight against it, because it would destroy at least a large part of humanity, and Derren likes humanity. Humanity is hilarious.

- So Uriel was rebelling against an authority that had the same goal as him. Hmm. (Also, Ruby and Uriel had the same goal. Let's have some fanfiction about their bitchy seal-breaking adventures together.)

- I actually yelled 'YOU BASTARDS' at the screen when Sam was listening to Dean's fake voice message. YOU DON'T DO THAT TO SAM, YOU ANGELIC GITS. Although on one level I very much liked it, because I had been confused when Castiel told Dean that his phone wouldn't work earlier. 'But, er, didn't Sam get a message from him? Is anyone checking this for continuity?' I am sorry for doubting you, Supernatural continuity editors.

- I was very much expecting Castiel to make Dean drink his blood when he cut himself. You did that on purpose, didn't you, writers? (I was, I have to say, mildly disappointed that he didn't.)

- OH, FINE, RUBY, BE (...have been? Nothing sounds right!) WORKING FOR THE OTHER SIDE ALL ALONG. BREAK MY HEART. SEE IF I CARE.

I wonder whether the plan was to have Ruby working towards Lucifer's release from her introduction. Was she ever intended to be a 'good' demon? I'd love to know.

Also, I am going to miss her quite a lot. And I do like that Sam obviously wasn't just a tool to her; she did actually care about him. She just happened to, er, be manipulating him horrifically.

- Oh, Sam, you can't get away from every girl with whom you have sex dying even if the girl was a corpse to begin with. (Let us ignore 'Sex and Violence'; that was obviously a mistake. They were probably just having a naked conversation.)

- NOW I'LL NEVER GET TO SEE RUBY POSSESSING A MAN WHILST MAINTAINING HER FEMININE BODY LANGUAGE. Alas!

- I thought Supernatural finales were supposed to kill everyone! This one only got rid of Ruby! That's pathetic, Supernatural. Oh, wait, there was Lilith as well, wasn't there? Whoops. Forgot about her.

LEAVING US WITH PRECISELY NO RECURRING FEMALE CHARACTERS. You'd better bring Ellen and Jo back, Supernatural. (Oh, we still have Anna, don't we?)

- I enjoyed this episode, but I did feel it was a tiny bit predictable. Last year had the 'no, surely they wouldn't actually send one of the two main characters to Hell' shock, but after that did anyone really expect them to stop Lucifer?

Also, the episode title was a bit of a giveaway. ('Lazarus Rising' also had this problem. JUST STOP PUTTING 'RISING' IN YOUR EPISODE TITLES WHEN THE RISING IN QUESTION IS A HUGE PLOT POINT, SUPERNATURAL.)

- SAM AND DEAN ARE TOGETHER AGAIN

HAPPY ENDING

...no, seriously, the final seal was broken and the Apocalypse was beginning and all I was thinking was 'yay, the brothers' relationship has been repaired!' MY PRIORITIES ARE FINE.

~~- Speaking of my brilliant priorities: what Pokémon would Lucifer have?~~

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I THINK LUCIFER WOULD HAVE A SQUIRTLE.

I think this is an appropriately inappropriate choice.

It was that or a jigglypuff.

Jigglypuff was my first thought, I have to say, but I've already given that to Derren Brown and the Master. Although they could very well all be the same person.

They could very well all be the same person? Only COULD VERY WELL? Riona you are slacking. OBVIOUSLY Ithuriel was just Derren's sneaky Luciferian disguise.

To be very rude, it's SPN; they kill the girls/ people of colour. :/

Sadly, they do, much though I'd like to be able to deny it. At this point, the recurring characters who are a) still alive and b) still around are all white and male, with the exception of one white female angel. It is slightly ridiculous. I can still watch and enjoy Supernatural, but, yes, stop doing that. Or at least go back to killing off everyone.

I have heard, although I don't know how true it is, that Supernatural kills the female characters because they are unpopular. If that is true, it's stupid. I LOVE RUBY AND BELA. BRING THEM BACK FOR MEEEEEEE.

Yeah, I think it is. Going from how much the show's creators know about fandom, they do seem to base what they write on what they see as popular :| Women being misogynistic is one of the worst things.

*STARTS CAMPAIGN FOR RIONA TO TAKE OVER PRODUCTION*

Jensen, Jared and Misha are certainly aware of a large part of fandom being crazy sexists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoZYuKkjWGY

Now, if only they'd also be aware of their own show not doing a lot to discourage this sexism, that'd be dandy.

And as for the recurring people of colour... they're never really good guys either. The hunter in season 2 went from a good guy to being a crazy psycho, Henriksen started out as bad from the Winchesters' POV and then became good for five seconds before dying, and Uriel was evil as well.

Yeah, I don't really expect anything better than the basic privilege fail from ...anything, really, unless I trust the author/writing tema/producers a lot.

with the exception of one white female angel.
B-but do we still have Anna? Because it looked a lot to me like the angels got her last episode, when they were on a pier and Castiel was like "you really shouldn't have come" and then there was a burny white light and. I mean.

:(

There hasn't been a recurring female character on this show that I've disliked, yet. STOP KILLING THEM OFF SPN GODDAMNIT

...oh, dear, yes, that did happen, didn't it?

SHE'S PROBABLY STILL ALIVE. MAYBE SHE'LL BREAK OUT OF, ER, ANGEL PRISON.

Maybe Derren-Brown-as-Ithuriel busts her out & together they snark off into the sunset.

Well, that's going into the personal canon.

Misha Collins made a joke about this! I know because of wank. He is extremely well-aware of the fandom, I think; he said they didn't intend to keep his character around, but they did, and then something like "it's because I'm not a woman." No comments on the shows whitewashing though.

It does bother me that the people involved with the show (and, indeed, the majority of the Internet) seem to believe that all fans of Supernatural hate the female characters. I'm fairly sure it's only the most vocal ones.

Heh. I don't know if he thinks that the crazy lady-hating female slash fans are all the fandom, but, yeah, they're the ones he seems most aware of. I don't think he thought making slashy jokes would cause fans to tell him to simmer down, at least.

Um um um um I think Lucifer would have a Ninetails. Because however cliche and fire that option is, Ninetails hexes the crap out of people who touch its tails and is all pompous and regal and everything.

~~I certainly hope Supernatural's portrayal of Lucifer is at least slightly pompous, or else my reasoning makes no sense.~~ I like participating in discussions about things I haven't see.

SEEN.

SEEN, DAMMIT.

I AM GOING TO BED BECAUSE I CAN'T TYPE ANY MORE.

We have not yet seen Supernatural's Lucifer, so until the fifth season begins we can assume that he is a Ninetales-owning sort. I wouldn't be surprised.

I had the same reaction to the cliffhanger in that I would be completely fine if that was the last we ever saw of the Winchesters, the two of them grabbing each other's shirts as the apocalypse came on.

Seriously, I'm more worried about Castiel. He's going to get his (lily white) ASS KICKED.

Also my friends and I have decided Bobby's been standing in his house this whole time like, 'Son of a bitch, I've lost the Winchesters'.

I would be completely fine if that was the last we ever saw of the Winchesters, the two of them grabbing each other's shirts as the apocalypse came on.

Ooh, that would have been a horrible absolute finale, but it would have sort of worked.

Also my friends and I have decided Bobby's been standing in his house this whole time like, 'Son of a bitch, I've lost the Winchesters'.

Oh, I do hope so. I hope he spent the entire episode checking behind furniture and under tablecloths.

I was very much expecting Castiel to make Dean drink his blood when he cut himself. You did that on purpose, didn't you, writers? (I was, I have to say, mildly disappointed that he didn't.)

The slashers would have gone NUTS.

Oh, Sam, you can't get away from every girl with whom you have sex dying even if the girl was a corpse to begin with. (Let us ignore 'Sex and Violence'; that was obviously a mistake. They were probably just having a naked conversation.)

We didn't see her again! She's totally dead. that's why Sam didn't want to go back or whatever.

LEAVING US WITH PRECISELY NO RECURRING FEMALE CHARACTERS. You'd better bring Ellen and Jo back, Supernatural. (Oh, we still have Anna, don't we?)
Ellen + Jo = Hell Yes! Anna = meh. I kinda wondered what happened to her this episode...

I enjoyed this episode, but I did feel it was a tiny bit predictable. Last year had the 'no, surely they wouldn't actually send one of the two main characters to Hell' shock, but after that did anyone really expect them to stop Lucifer?
I pretty much guessed the whole episode. :-X Which is why I think I liked it a lot less than most.

I would have loved to see the episode reactions had Dean actually drunk from Castiel.

I didn't really like Anna at first, but I think she has the potential to be quite cool, so I hope they bring her back and fulfil that. Along with Ellen and Jo, obviously, who are already cool.

Igglybuff.

Duh.

YOU DON'T DO THAT TO SAM, YOU ANGELIC GITS. See, I read it as: a) Castiel/the angels stopping Dean from using his phone the second time round (while stuck in that room) and b) Ruby manipulating the message so that Sam didn't hear Dean's actual message. If you watch her eyes in that scene... well, she has a look just before Sam uses his phone. Hence, I think it was her - worried that Dean would be able to stop him from going through with it.

I liked that she was still AWESOME even after it was shown that she was actually EV0L. And she still seemed to care for Sam too. Aww.

Yeah, sucks to be a female character in the SPN-verse, right? *le sigh* Though that female angel didn't die though, whatsername?! Also BRING ELLEN AND JO BACK! RIGHT ON! SECONDED! Want to write a letter to Kripke about it?!

I was perplexed by Ruby's look; it did seem that she knew something about the message. But I'd assumed it was the angels, as we've seen them imitate voices over the phone before.

I think Sam should be a woman for the entire fifth season with no explanation.

Naaaaaaah, I still think it was Ruby. Though I guess the angels also wanted Sam to go through with it, same end game, more or less, so maybe it was them. Hmmm?

I think Sam should be a woman for the entire fifth season with no explanation. LOL! Awesome! Shall we put that in the letter to Kripke too??!

Nix was also bemoaning the lack of bodyswap in 4 seasons of the show. I hope season 5 delivers on that one too!

I want Lucifer - well, I want to have MAD ART SKILLZ so that I can represent this to THE WORLD/INTERNET - I want Lucifer to be Ash - a smooth Ash, in a shiney red suit/tails, with blow-dried brushed hair (still a mullet of course!), and fauny goat legs with red fur, and hoofs and a forked tail, and a cane which he twirls as her grins at the boys! But he's still very Ash-like despite being Satan. This is my dream. :D

I just hadn't thought Ruby would be capable of it. I'd be very interested if the angels were the ones who did it and Ruby knew, because that would imply that Ruby was actually working for the angels.

CLEARLY FEMALE!SAM BELONGS IN THE LETTER TO KRIPKE. Also, she should have a Pokémon.

I want Lucifer to be Ash

My first thought was Ash Ketchum. Oh, dear.

I just hadn't thought Ruby would be capable of it. You probably pay more attention to these kind of things than me. ;)

I meant to use THIS icon so as you'd know which Ash I meant. I am still dismayed that people do not share my love. Devil Ash - boy, he could be like Devil Bob in Twin Peaks, which would be freaky as all fuck. Except I imagine him more like that singing demon (Sweet?) in Buffy. Well, dressed like that anyway, but more mullety and Ash. Well, anyway...

I agree that Ash would make an excellent Lucifer! My mind is just somewhat stuck on the idea of Ash Ketchum with goat legs.

I'm sort of hoping for Chad Michael Murray as Lucifer, actually.

Or Derren Brown.

If I wasn't about to go to bed, I'd make a manip. Also, Google has informed me who Ash Ketchum is (http://follownobody.duckweedmafia.com/pictures/ash%20ketchum.jpg:), so now I know. Er, kinda.

Chad Michael Murray would be LOL.

Derren Brown? THIS SUGGESTION COMES AS A HUGE SURPRISE FROM YOU, RIONA. WHO IS THIS DERREN BROWN OF WHICH YOU SPEAK??

"Oh, we still have Anna, don't we?"

Anna was whisked away by angels last time, so I wouldn't be surprised if Kripke ignores her from now on like he did with Jo.

SEASON FIVE SHOULD BE FILLED WITH THE AWESOME ADVENTURES OF JO AND ELLEN. SAM AND DEAN CAN FIGHT LUCIFER IN THE BACKGROUND.

Did you notice Dean's favourite burgers are from Delaware? I did. And was reminded of you. And, er, Chad Michael Murray.

Also, it's not like Sam'n'Dean are going to stop Lucifer from rising when they still have another season to go, otherwise that season would be boring. Possibly hilarious, but boring.

I too am quite glad it didn't become some epic Sam vs Dean fight.

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