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In case anyone who might be interested missed it on account of my terrible timing: I posted an X-Men: First Class fic whilst Livejournal was being difficult! No common sense. It is about Raven and Erik and Charles and their relationships with each other. It is also, inevitably, about Pokémon.

Over the weekend, I stayed with

mogamus_ii! She had the first two X-Men films on DVD, so, at my request, we watched them.

I went into the films hoping to see more of the fascinating relationship between Erik and Charles. By the end of X2, they could have had sex right there on the screen and I wouldn't have noticed.

I am 'shipping Rogue and Logan more than I have ever 'shipped anything in my life.

No, seriously, it twisted my insides when I realised that the films were going to go the Logan/Jean route instead. I was so oblivious to any tension between them that, close to the end of the first film, this happened:

Jean: I think she's a little taken with you.
Logan: Well, you can tell her my heart belongs to someone else.
Riona: Wait, what? NO. NO IT DOESN'T. Who?
Logan: How's the professor?
Riona: He's in love with Charles?

Not that there necessarily wasn't any tension between Logan and Jean; it's quite possible that they were constantly setting the air between them aflame and I simply didn't notice because I was so busy hoping for more Logan-Rogue interaction.

I don't know how this pairing hit me so hard and so fast! During the truck scene after Logan and Rogue's first meeting, I was fascinated by the atmosphere and the dynamic, although thoughts of pairing them up hadn't occurred to me yet. By the train scene, I was shouting 'GET MARRIED' at the screen.

And then there was that intensely awkward scene at the beginning of X2 between Logan and Rogue and Rogue's boyfriend and I was dying with how much I needed Logan and Rogue to be together. X-MEN FILMS WHY ARE LOGAN AND ROGUE NOT MAKING OUT CONSTANTLY

I MEAN, YES, ROGUE'S MUTATION WOULD KILL ANYONE SHE MADE OUT WITH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE.

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The only reason Rogue is taken with Logan and the Popsicle is because she hasn't met Gambit yet. ROGUE/GAMBIT IS OTOTP OKAY.

Completely unrelated to my rabid Romy fansqueeing, here, have a comic I found online, like, aaaaaaaaaaages ago.

edit: Also unrequited Jean/Logan is necessary for the Phoenix saga that they compress into the third film. It's also used a lot in the comics, which is probably why they went with it.

Edited 2011-08-02 15:40 (UTC)

I'LL FIGHT YOU

Well, all right, I won't. I'm not really the 'shipwar-waging type. But I appear to be an absolute nutcase OTPer over these two, and opposing pairings actually make me a bit sad. This almost never happens to me!

That comic is quite cute, though.

Romy is actually my only OTP that is actually OTP. ROGUE BELONGS WITH REMY. FULLSTOP. Anyway I always like the interpretation of Logan being fond of Rogue as a favorite student/surrogate little sister/whatever rather than a romantic option. Probably comes from watching Animated, where they were like siblings, then Evolution, where he was a kinda mentor (a relationship that didn't get explored NEARLY enough). I actually found the implied one-sided romance in the movies to be quite jarring.

Apparently X-Men has a way of making people really invested in pairings! ALSO LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU.

Maybe. I think it's because it was the first fandom I was really active in. I dabbled in others before it, but it wasn't till I got into Evolution that I started developing personal canon. THEN I SUPPOSE I SHOULDN'T MENTION THE UNIVERSE WHERE SHE HAS A KID WITH MAGNETO?

I AM MORE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ACTIVELY ARGUING AGAINST MY OTP, AND ALSO BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS FASCINATINGLY CRAZY.

I WISH I COULD TELL YOU MORE THEN. All I know is that he was named Charles. You may read into that what you like.

edit: Also, as a practical note to why they weren't making out constantly in the film (other than the fact that NO), it's probably very much related to her being quite underage. I think Rogue was like, seventeen? in the movie, whereas Logan is both 1), a teacher at her school, and 2), a good century older than she is. A relationship between them would be illegal and morally suspect. If anything were to ever happen for them (~~you know, in the crazy universe where she's not Remy's soulmate~~), it would have to be later.

Edited 2011-08-02 16:53 (UTC)

Is Logan a teacher? I never got that impression. Bobby introduces him as 'Professor Logan' to his parents, but I assumed that was a joke. ALSO ROGUE COMES FROM MISSISSIPPI, WHERE THE AGE OF CONSENT IS SIXTEEN. SHE MEETS LOGAN IN CANADA, WHERE THE AGE OF CONSENT IS ALSO SIXTEEN. TOTALLY LEGALLY FINE. STOP STEPPING ON THE PAIRING OF MY HEART.

I think that was the idea? He may not have stuck around long enough to actually get a class, but I'm pretty sure he's in the employ of the school. And they're in New York. I have no idea what the age of consent is in New York, but I know in at least one situation someone over the age of 21 had to double-check that the girl he was hitting on was as well, or at least over 18. It was a fictional situation, but based on IRL laws. LOOK I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE PRACTICAL ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHY, SO I TOLD YOU. And in every other incarnation Rogue got her powers when she was 13, so just be glad they aged her up at all.

Sorry! I think I became defensive because of the '(other than the fact that NO)'. I assumed the main reason was that Rogue/Logan wasn't really a thing in the comics, so going beyond hints and blazing chemistry would probably have met with a backlash.

The age of consent in New York is seventeen. I'm just noting this down here for reference purposes.

There's no need to get defensive! I only engage in light-hearted ship-battles. I don't care if other people don't ship my ship, but that isn't going to stop me from going MY SHIP IS THE BEST SHIP HA HA HA.

And there's, like, a billion different comic verses with a billion different possible pairings. One of them shipped Rogue and Mags. I think they just wanted to do an unrequited ship. And to be fair, I don't think Rogue was ever involved with the ice cube, either. So there's that. (I think what neither of us is realizing is that Popsicle-boy is the real villain here. As long as Rogue's pining over him, she can't be with Logan OR Remy.)

I'm a massive Gambit fan, but sort of take-it-or-leave-it on his relationship with Rogue. It's more that thing where I become attached to one particular character and want to pair them off with everyone in the world.

(Although I'm also deeply squeamish about anything other than incredibly tiny age differences in pairings where one of the characters is young enough that you actually have to look up the age of consent, particularly when the other character is old enough that no one can remember how old he is, so you can both yell at me for hating on your OTP. I'll stop talking now.)

*shakes fist in tiny impotent rage* HOW DARE YOU NOT LOVE THE AWESOME LOVE THAT ROGUE/GAMBIT?

On a much less capslocky note, you should watch this parody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLoSsnZn36o) of Bad Romance. (It makes more sense in context, but it's funny enough to stand on it's on anyway. AND IT'S AWESOME. Oops I used capslock again OH WELL.)

I don't mind it or anything, I just...want to see Gambit/everyone! (And I have a weird fondness for a relatively obscure pairing of Gambit/Jacob Gavin Jr. from the comics, because Jake is a smartassed shapeshifter who had many adventures with Gambit, then he had an accident that caused the default mode for his body to reset to "attractive woman" - Jake, not Gambit - and Gambit was all "You are now very hot! I like this!", except smoother and more Cajun, and there was a kiss and it was a fun dynamic.)

Ooh, I love literal videos!

*continues to shake fist* Uh... that's about the only tactic I have. Is it working yet?

Florence and Marik sing lots of duets together. You should hear their version of Stand By Me.

Afraid not. Try the other fist?

*shakes other fist* How 'bout now?

Sorry, no.

Well, that's all I got.

Well, I'm afraid we're stuck with separate but overlapping shipping preferences, then.

I guess we are.

In other news, I'm going through my old Duel Monsters decks, and I thought I had lost my Harpy deck, but then I didn't! So I was worried, and then happy!

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(Well, if it's any comfort, my OTP can't actually conceivably have sex.)

Except they totally could! Because Wolverine comes back from anything!

(Also, I know for a fact that there is such a thing as liquid latex body paint, which should theoretically solve most of the complications involved with Rogue having sex, although she still couldn't kiss people.)

I appreciate your noble efforts to make their sex-having plausible even if it makes you uncomfortable! I suppose that if they did have sex they would have to go for the body paint rather than the 'well, he can come back from anything' approach, because having sex whilst feeling constantly as if you're dying probably wouldn't be that sexy. Unless you're into that sort of thing.

In any case, I think the pairing's more interesting when it's frustrating and impossible and in any case Logan is furiously repressing his attraction to Rogue. Maybe at one point Rogue's mutation is somehow temporarily deactivated, and Logan isn't strong enough to keep repressing when suddenly something between them is possible, and they have sex and fall asleep in each other's arms and WHOOPS ROGUE'S POWERS RETURN IN THE NIGHT AND LOGAN WAKES UP TO HIS LIFE-FORCE BEING SAPPED AND NEARLY DIES.

Not - not that I've been thinking about this at massive length or anything.

You're welcome. The liquid latex body paint thing has been bothering me about "Rogue can never, ever, ever have sex with people!" for years.

Rogue's powers have been temporarily deactivated many times in the comics, so you could totally do something like that, if you don't mind me not reading it.

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