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I'm Captain Basch!

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT SUPERNATURAL NOWADAYS. It has become so weird and meta. Here we are, happily 'shipping pairings in the show, and the show turns around and starts 'shipping us. It is bizarre. Who needs Livejournal entries to talk about Supernatural when Supernatural is so willing to talk about itself?

I was a little worried, at first, that this episode would be a rather mean-spirited depiction of the fandom, but by the end I was convinced that Kripke loves us really. Awww. (Possibly an inappropriate amount, given the Chuck/Becky. Which I sort of massively loved, but also found extremely confusing. Is Supernatural/fandom now canon? Because that's - that's really strange canon.) WE SAVE THE DAY. US.

I enjoyed the episode! I am just becoming increasingly bewildered by the dizzying levels of self-referentiality in Supernatural. Back in the first season, who could have predicted that the future would involve in-canon Supernatural conventions and Wincest fangirls taking an active role in the plot? I don't really object, but it is very odd indeed.

(I have to wonder what Supernatural watchers who aren't in fandom think of all this.)

Hmmm, that wasn't really long enough to justify an entry, was it? What else can I say?

...well, there is a video on YouTube of nothing but Vaan saying 'DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORE'S LIES'. Repeated over and over again. For five minutes.

It is the most inane thing in the entire world (with the possible exception of this), and twenty seconds in I was laughing so hard I was crying.

(I didn't watch the entire thing, if you're wondering. I managed to stop it after a minute or so. Had I watched it all, I wouldn't have been able to post this for shame.

That minigame was a nightmare.)

On the subject of 'WHY DOES THIS EXIST?'-reaction-inducing things on YouTube, have three John Barrowmans dancing to 'Single Ladies' in tinfoil trousers, if you haven't seen it already.

Ah, the Internet. Humanity's finest invention. I think what we can learn from this is that I should always make sure my reaction posts have a fair degree of substance, because otherwise the things I will dredge up to fill the rest of the entry will be incredibly stupid.

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This (http://community.livejournal.com/slackerlicious/859.html) just popped up on my flist. YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT?

I knew nothing of this, because I have very few Mentalist fans on my flist, so thank you very much for directing me towards it!

It is a shame I'm not a fan of porn. No, wait, it says non-kink and gen are welcome! So I could request fanfiction in which Jane is in love with everyone on the team and has a weird, physical-but-not-quite-sexual dynamic with them all! Hooray!

Back in the first season, who could have predicted that the future would involve in-canon Supernatural conventions and Wincest fangirls taking an active role in the plot? I don't really object, but it is very odd indeed.

this, man. this! i can't really flail about it, but i can sit back with amusement/bemusement and watch it all go by...

I think I enjoy the mad levels of meta, but it is all so unexpected that it's difficult to be certain.

Oh, Kripke, you love playing with our minds, don't you?

I am confused about that episode also. Mostly Becky, possibly. I think... cute idea (especially her providing key information), and on paper I'd probably really love her but I hate the way the idea is executed. Her over-the-top-ness makes me want to stab her or stab the screen or stab something anyway every time she appears, and it kind of spoils the episode for me. So... I don't even know what the point of this comment is, that is how confused I am. LOL

I don't exactly hate her, but she is slightly ridiculous, and by 'slightly' I mean 'extremely'.

A sudden and slightly bizarre thought: what if the writers are deliberately playing with the reputation the fandom has for hating female characters by creating a representation of the fandom for the fandom to hate?

It's kind of like a fingernails on a blackboard type thing. Every time she comes on I'm like "nooooo!" and want to skip ahead to the next part without her.
I guess it's supposed to be a mix of gentle mockery and yet saying 'we love you really' to the fans by having her turn out to be helpful despite being annoying but yes, there might well be an element of that. I can easily imagine some of the most, uh, outspoken crazies really hating her and going into in depth rants about the character and what it means and yet not realising her more annoying attributes are based on their own traits. Which is an amusing thought.
I really wish they'd toned Becky's hypnerness down a bit though.
(and I think the only way I can bear to watch another episode with her in is if Castiel is in it making WTF? faces at a fan convention full of fake-Castiels)

In conclusion: Kripke is evil for messing with our heads this way.

Hey, the show also ships Sam/Dean!

I am still waiting for the bodyswap episode. ANY WEEK NOW, SERIOUSLY.

My only objection to the Supernatural convention was that there weren't nearly enough women. I think there was a female Bobby, but 90% of the people there were men!

I was curious about the lack of women at the convention, especially as the actors commented on the fact that women were such a vast majority at Asylum. I suppose the fandom of Supernatural-the-book-series is male-dominated. Hmmm. (I wondered whether it was a deliberate reflection of the massive sex bias at actual Supernatural conventions, just reversed.)

There was indeed a female Bobby! And there were a couple of female Sam-and-Dean cosplayers, which I quite liked.

I AM AVOIDING THE SPN PART OF THE POST

slghdfgkjhfd BASCH LIVES! I'M BASCH FON RONSENBURG!

also, the john barrowman thing is the best thing i have ever seen.

DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORE'S LIES

I am trying to work out whether John Barrowman deliberately performed a Single Ladies dance or whether some madperson just went 'HEY, I KNOW WHAT I'LL EDIT TOGETHER', and I honestly have no idea.

I sort of love SPN referencing slash and the crazy of fandom, but it also makes me really uncomfortable. My mum watches that show, so I find myself wondering what on earth she's thinking.

What I mean, is I wonder what they think of stuff like that? They won't get the references to things, and I'm scared Supernatural will drive away all it's fans that aren't... fangirls/boys.

I especially thought it about Becky writing slash. I mean, she's writing gay incest on the show. To us lot, that's sort of... whatever. To another person, it's sick, wrong, weird...

I'm rambling, but yes. I don't mind when the actors are talking about fandom and slashers and whatnot, but I sort of wish the show wouldn't.

Supernatural does seem to have decided that its target audience is specifically fandom, rather than just casual fans. On the one hand, I think that's quite cool, but on the other it didn't start out like that (unlike, say, Torchwood, which I'd say is also very fandom-aimed), so, yes, I think a lot of people who've watched it from the beginning and aren't involved in fandom are just going to be very confused.

WHY, RIONA? WHY?

I ALREADY HEAR THAT EVERYTIME I READ THE NAME "BASCH" (even though it's Vaan and not Basch!) alongside its good friend "I'm Basch on Ronsenberg of Dalmasca!!!" Now it's stuck in my head again! D:

Incidentally this is the first bit of FF12 I ever saw when my brother was playing it!

That minigame. That minigame. I want to meet whoever thought it up and just stare uncomprehendingly at them.

(Basch lives!)

You have to wonder what was on that prompt sheet that made them create it.

"We need a minigame? We don't need another Chocobo Hot and Cold! Let's have a game where we shout lies at the top of our voice to make people think we're awesome? (Or maybe we should help out random people to help us on our quest! No, we'll do that later to gain chops!)"

I imagine a design document of "figure out weird way to fill over a massive pltohole. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. Characters aren't entirely logical."

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On the other hand, that's now two episodes that have been fairly cheerful, and with yesterdays 'everything is relatively happy with warm fuzzies' ending you can tell that from now on Kripke is probably just going to be beating us into the ground with angst and trauma and horror and angst.

I have been thinking this. I remember when we had 'Monster Movie', 'Yellow Fever' and 'Wishful Thinking' in quick succession, and then the rest of the season was pain and misery. We see what you are planning, Kripke.

Chuck was indeed pretty amazing in this episode! (And, hey, it turns out he loves us as well!)

I loved this episode. All the meta stuff was a bit weird but I really liked the return to the old style, without all the Apocalypse/angels/demons thing ("How do you feel about angels?")

I had more to say but I forgot.

I actually missed Castiel a bit, just because his reaction to the convention would have been so much fun. But it is nice to shift away from the Apocalypse for a while.

Due to the influence of 4chan (well, mainly me wanting to beat the challenges set by 4chan) I've watched a lot of ridiculous videos. Once I watched a five minutes long video of a guy eating an ice cream sandwich, just to say I did.

So I've decided that I'll listen to 'Don't Listen to Ondore's Lies' until it finishes. I. Am. Strange.

And then I'll watch Barrowman doing single ladies and it'll be amazing and make me forget all about how dumb I am. 8D

Oh yes and this ridiculous comment is because I'm ignoring the Supernatural section. At one point in the future you're going to get me going through all your old SPN entires and commenting on them as I watch the episodes. xD

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You are strange. But at least by the end you will be thoroughly informed on what to do with Ondore's lies. (Hint: don't listen to them.)

Re: last night's Mentalist:

*flail* RIGSBY AND VAN PELLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTT :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I have not seen this episode, but I am now looking forward to it! (Not that I wasn't before, but even more.)

(I have to wonder what Supernatural watchers who aren't in fandom think of all this.)

You know, I wondered too, and when I called home to talk to my mother about the episode, I fully expected her to be very confused and have lots of questions. But she loved it! Even though I'm pretty sure she doesn't understand the concept of fandom at all and doesn't do anything to involve herself in it :P

Oh, good! I'm glad people outside the fandom can still enjoy the ridiculous meta episodes.

I see that John Barrowman clip has already circulated through half the interwebz. I saw it yesterday, and I still think it's absolutely ~~horrifying~~ hilarious.

The sad thing is I can actually see Barrowman agreeing to make something like that (because I'm pretty sure it's an edit). Ffff. What a dork. I can't quite decide if my favorite part is the river-dancing or the jazz hands at the end. Or wait - maybe it's his cracktastic grin throughout the entire thing.

I'm actually wondering whether he did have a part in creating it himself, just because he's wearing the same outfit throughout, so it's certainly not a case of 'take clips from Barrowman's dancing all over the place'. And it is something he might do.

Ahahaha, the jazz hands. Oh, dear.

I've had a truly terrible crossover idea, but I need to know how far you got in the FMA manga before I can discuss it with you.

It involves the name "Oliver" and a considerable amount of confusion.

And, having watched the youtube bits, I'm confused. Should I listen to Ondore's lies or not? Is the cake a lie? Is Ondor talking about cake?

(I really, really, really wish I wasn't stuck on that Top Gear/Portal thing, because Chell is so the Stig's niece, and Jeremy, James, and Richard need to be trapped wandering around in a misguided search for cake.)

I'm around the twelfth volume, I think. If there's a character named 'Oliver', I haven't met him yet.

Should I listen to Ondore's lies or not?

I don't know! I wish you'd be clearer, Vaan.

Let me know when you get to Volume Twenty, and I'll explain (yes, I did go on a book-buying binge lately).

Vaan really needs to get to the point.

I love that John Barrowman video SO VERY MUCH. I spent a day watching it at regular intervals and I still love it. [g]

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