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Have some more thoughts on Community! I'm a few episodes into the second series.

Rather a brutal way to stamp on my OTP, episode 2.01 of Community! Although I suppose Jeff/Britta 'shippers had it worse.

Jeff and Britta's warfare distressed me because it was so awful for poor Annie, and indeed for Jeff and Britta themselves, but at the same time it was sort of incredible to watch. The two most stubborn people on the planet, completely destroying themselves and each other in a mad game of relationship chicken.

And now, having watched another couple of episodes of the second series, I'm getting the distinct impression that the theme of this series is 'let's stamp over, negate and forget about all the romance from the first series', which would be absolutely fine if Community didn't contain one of the rare pairings I am insanely emotionally invested in, rather than just 'shipping in a vague 'well, that could be quite fun' way.

(The full current list of insane emotional investment 'ships, incidentally: Mark Corrigan/Jeremy Usborne (oh dear), Patrick Jane/the entire team plus optional Hightower, Rogue/Logan, Nathan Drake/Elena Fisher, Jeff Winger/Annie Edison. Kurt Hummel/Blaine Anderson used to be on this list, but sadly I've mostly lost interest in it now. The first pairing in which I ever became insanely emotionally invested was probably the Ninth Doctor/Rose Tyler, back in 2005.)

On the whole, the pairings I 'ship either become canon or, more commonly, stay well away from canon. I'm not used to being given the tiniest taste of canon and then having it cruelly snatched away! Still, even if Annie did, as she says, only kiss Jeff 'because I wanted to see if I could do it, because I want to be cool and sexy like [Britta]' - and I don't really believe that she did, given how smitten she was with Jeff in 2.01 - that sort of works with my interpretation of the pairing, because I certainly think that Jeff is more in love with Annie than Annie is with Jeff.

But that kiss was still a mutual thing, Annie, and you know it.

In other news, I have finally seen the film version of The Hunger Games. I enjoyed it! A few notes:

- The Cornucopia makes so much more sense now! When I read that the mouth stood twenty feet high (or seven metres, actually, because the measurements were all inexplicably converted to metric for the UK release, but I think it was twenty feet in the original), what I envisioned was this. I could not work out how people were meant to get the stuff.

- WHY DO CATO AND PEETA LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME

- Pairings I came out of the cinema 'shipping: Katniss/Cinna (acceptable), Katniss/Haymitch (endlessly wrong). I'm not sure how this happened.

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Hahaha, well, some sadistic gamemaker has probably done that Cornucopia too, at some point.

Katniss/Cinna

YES. I feel like the movie version plays it up.

I'd ship Catniss/Haymitch too, actually.

HA! I just read the Hunger Games trilogy in one unemployment-fueled marathon last week, so now I understand what the entire internet has been talking about! ...of course, now the entire internet is on to talking about The Avengers, but I can't win them all.

So, er, can you back me up on this? Because I feel like a variably-platonic-variably-romantic poly triad with Gale, Katniss and Peeta should have been the reasonable result of the series. Please tell me I'm not the only one.

...Cinna can come too. And set them all on fire. In a friendly, life-affirming fashion, of course.

So, Community. Yeah. I've watched all three seasons, and this isn't a spoilery thing to say really, but Community is not a show to watch in a shippy way if you are serious about shipping. Not that the show doesn't take it seriously, but that the show is doing something else. And not that the show might not end up with Jeff/Annie—I honestly have no idea—but the show is interested in other things. You know that episode where Abed says they're like a family except that they're not actually a family which means that any of them could hook up at any time and they all look at each other? It's more like that. And not to tease the audience or be mean about it, but more like the characters are trying things on: what would this look like? What would that look like?

So it isn't what you say, that they are on purpose stamping over the romantic interests from the first season. It's more that the show is not interested particularly in building a romantic subplot, and rather will allow stuff to happen or not happen. I don't mean that this happens without intent, or that they are toying with the audience, it's just—it's not what the show is doing.

BUT there's quite a lot of fanwork, if that would make you feel better?

Oh, I really don't mind! I know I'm going 'noooooo' all over this entry, but to be honest I'm happiest as a 'shipper when a pairing is lurking just under the surface. I enjoy being frustrated by UST! When characters get together and stay together, I tend to lose interest very quickly. So really I'm not terribly unhappy about the developments at the beginning of series two. I assumed the writers just felt they'd perhaps focused too much on the romance aspect and were trying to pull back from that, and I don't have a problem with that provided Jeff and Annie have the occasional delightfully frustrating spark. And, outside the 'shipping, I still enjoy it as a comedy. But thank you!

Ye-eah, I'm afraid Community is definitely not the show to expect very many long-lasting arcs, romantic or otherwise. But I will tell you there is more Jeff/Annie business later, basically sprinkled throughout the show. So, well, that may be more painful than fun for you, but.. it's something?

It's probably for the best, really; had they actually ended up in a relationship, I'd probably have lost interest before long. I like being frustrated by UST! I think the thing that annoys me is just the fact that Community is trying to kick earth over their kiss and go ACTUALLY THAT MEANT NOTHING. Let me keep that at least, Community!

I like being frustrated by UST!
Well good news! But no, I'd say it definitely didn't mean nothing. Gah, just keep watching, I think you'll be reasonably satisfied.

I love that Cornucopia illustration, and I could see how you were incredibly confused!

I, er, may have also shipped Katniss/Cinna a bit after the movie. And I pretty much never ship teenager/adult! It's just he was so nice to her, and she was honestly relaxed around him, and they liked each other so much, and it was all cute!

How did the mutts drag Cato in there? How did Peeta and ~~Cinna~~ Katniss (I have no idea why I initially typed Cinna there) climb up? Seeing the Cornucopia in the film was such a revelation.

The Katniss-Cinna interaction really was lovely. It's curious that I seem to have ended up simultaneously 'shipping one of the most functional Katniss pairings possible and one of the most dysfunctional.

I'm American, and we have the whole Thanksgiving cornucopia thing where they're lying in the same direction as the Hunger Games one, so I had a pretty good mental picture to begin with, but I could see how you'd picture it the other way.

I don't think Katniss-Haymitch occurred to me, because I was too busy being annoyed at how much milder and more functional movie-Haymitch was compared to book-Haymitch. He wandered around all clean and functional and not falling down or having DTs or anything!

KATNISS/HAYMITCH FOREVER. Also Katniss/Cinna, but like you said, I think a LOT of people came out of the theater shipping that. Katniss/Haymitch, though... I mean, Jennifer Laurence already has such incredible chemistry with nearly everyone she shares the screen with; the snarky-fond relationship Katniss grows with Haymitch does NOT help me when I'm trying not to ship her with every other person she looks at for two seconds. Sigh. (THEY'RE SUCH A GREAT/TERRIBLE SHIP THO. :D)

Their chemistry was enormous and ridiculous and I don't even know why. I'm extremely relieved that others could see it, at least.

that is *exactly* how I saw the cornucopia in the book! (your picture). Must be our classical education etc etc.

K/H is not wrong! I hadn't seen it but now I cannot unsee!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who pictured the Cornucopia like that, and I am incredibly glad that I'm not the only person who can see Katniss/Haymitch. It's still wrong, though.

(totally legal in scotland)

(LEGALITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT NOT WRONG)

(I know, but I just can't see it being that wrong. In many ways he is an idiot savant himself. First, she will save him. And then he will wait awhile. etc.)

asdfghjk, that is exactly what I thought the cornucopia was! I came out of that film completely in love with Peeta it's not my fault, the book made me mostly love him, and then Josh had a beautiful face and looked exactly how I pictured Peeta to look more or less, please don't judge me ;~~~~~~;

~~And yeah, I'll be honest, I cringed my way through that episode, but the awesomeness of Betty White sort of made up for it.~~

...I came out of that film 'shipping Katniss/Haymitch, and you're worried I'll judge you for liking Peeta?

Despite the frustrations of episode 2.01, Jeff did get punched in the face and then strangled, so, you know, thumbs up to that (JEFF WHY ARE YOU SO ATTRACTIVE WHEN YOU'RE IN AGONY).

And I Don't Even Need Your Love.

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